Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 15:10:39 +0300 From: abi <abi@abinet.ru> To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The ports collection has some serious issues Message-ID: <58552B3F.3050603@abinet.ru> In-Reply-To: <E1cI9ke-000ANC-DY@pandora.amnic.net> References: <E1cI9ke-000ANC-DY@pandora.amnic.net>
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I tried to switch from portmaster to synth yesterday. Tests was sponsored by zfs snapshots. I still have strong opinion that synth IS NOT replacement for portmaster and not usable at all. Yes, synth build ports, however it's just builds them. I don't receive information: 1. Why it builds exactly this list of ports, what has changed when I upgraded my ports. 2. It doesn't provide dialog for port options, so 2.1 I don't receive information if port options have changed. I don't know what else will be pulled to my system after port tree update. 2.2 If I make option files for all ports, synth fails to rebuild repository if port and it's options are out of sync. 2.3 When port infrastructure switch to newer default version I must be aware that this change occur and set damn options for new default port. So, synth is just a dumb port building tool. If you need your own port options you are in risk. Developer of synth said that the problem is in my 'portmaster thinking' I should change. And now I see that he tried to deprecate portmaster! Fuck it. Until synth gets interactive mode. Probably I will switch to Linux (yes, I know nobody cares) if the ability to keep custom port options will be lost. The only tool for this now is portmaster. Maybe it's my 'portmaster thinking' but I don't understand how one can use synth if he or she want at least be slightly aware what's going on in his/her system. On 17.12.2016 10:49, Hrant Dadivanyan wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 6:42 AM, Peter Jeremy <peter at rulingia.com> wrote: >>>> On 2016-Dec-15 19:31:22 +0100, list-freebsd-ports at jyborn.se wrote: >>>> Interestingly, the most vocal proponent of deleting portmaster and >>>> portupgrade is the author/maintainer of synch. >> >> It's not interesting at all. Synth was in a large part created because >> people were irrationally sticking with portmaster and more frighteningly >> gaining new users. >> > > Please don't judge what's rational and what's not, because it's community > and when many people, even irrationally from your POV, sticking with > portmaster, then it's worth to consider and look for a way to keep it up. > >> The point is that these tools are in great shape and to imply otherwise >> needs proof. It's portmaster that's not receiving updates. >> > > In current shape it works well for many people (and demanded by) in > community, so why should it be removed ? You can warn as much as you want > against, but you can't decide to remove. >
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