Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:11:20 +1030 From: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> To: pat.groce@state.sd.us, jlemon@americantv.com Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: unix is a problem: free bsd doesn't help Message-ID: <19981110091120.X499@freebie.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <5D2C95997022D21187350008C7F4CF793E6C00@ESPR1SRV5.state.sd.us>; from pat.groce@state.sd.us on Mon, Nov 09, 1998 at 11:30:10AM -0600 References: <5D2C95997022D21187350008C7F4CF793E6C00@ESPR1SRV5.state.sd.us>
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[Format autorecovered at freebie.lemis.com] Why is it that so many (more than 50%) of the copious replies on this thread showed evidence of severe mutilation of the messages. Despite the automatically generated comment above, I spent something like 5 minutes making this message legible again, and it was one of the better ones. On Monday, 9 November 1998 at 11:30:10 -0600, pat.groce@state.sd.us wrote: > On Monday, November 09, 1998 10:27 AM, Jonathan Lemon [mailto:jlemon@americantv.com] wrote: >> >> On Nov 11, 1998 at 10:01:11AM -0600, pat.groce@state.sd.us wrote: >>> We had been running freebsd for 4 years to handle our internet >>> email. Last week the hard drive crashed on the system. I had a >>> tape backup of important files so i reinstalled using the new >>> freebsd 3.0 version. >> >> Let me get this straight; You had a system crash, so instead of >> re-installing a known good system, you upgrade a production system >> to the bleeding edge (3.0) without any prior testing? >> >> Honestly, this was a mistake, and the version that should have >> been installed was installed was 2.2.7. >> >>> cryptic errors. Sendmail keeps giving me an error: >>> sendmail[131]: NOQUEUE: low on space (have 0, SMTP-DAEMON needs 101 in >>> /var/spool/mqueue) >> >> So, sendmail gives you an error message saying that it is out of >> disk space, and you blame it on sendmail? No offense, but it >> sounds to me like the system isn't configured correctly. >> >>> To hell with FreeBSD. We are replacing all of the systems with NT versions >>> of sendmail. And it works great! I neat little GUI makes sendmail and the >>> Exchange listservs easy to manage.The software may cost more, but in terms >>> of staff time, we're saving thousands, not to mention all the frustration. >>> >>> I read all the news on how unix is going to give microsoft a run for the >>> operating system market. I don't believe it for a second. >> >> You are welcome to your opinion. If NT works better for you, >> then by all means, use it. >> >> FreeBSD is powerful, and can do anything that you want it to do. >> However, it setting it up and maintaining it does require more >> knowledge on the administrator's part than NT. In return, it >> can provide "years of trouble-free operation"(tm). >> >> You did note that FreeBSD handled your email for 4 years before a >> harddrive crash. Please feel free to give us a summary in 4 years >> from now of how well NT behaves in doing the same task. > > I couldn't get anything but 3.0 over the net. I mean i download boot.flp and > fdimage.exe, made my install disk, and 3.0 was what i got. DON'T BLAME ME, I > DID EVERYTHING THE WWW.FREEBD.ORG TOLD ME TO FOR AN INSTALL. Why didn't the > web site or setup program warn me not to install 3.0? It did. You didn't read the warning. > The web page at http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install.html made it all > sound so simple. I didn't know there were hidden issues! What issues were hidden? I think others have pointed out the mistakes you have made. > If the system isn't configured correctly its FREEBSD'S fault! Right, it couldn't possibly be yours. > Why can't a fresh install even stand on two legs? So what if its out > of disk space? Right, who needs disk space? > Not my fault. Agreed, nothing could be your fault. > It should have configured the partitions correctly from the first > place. We're very sorry that we haven't been delivering software preconfigured for exactly your environment right from the beginning. We'll change immediately. > What a joke! And you're blaming ME for the system having problems? > > ADMIT IT! FREEBSD CAN NEVER HOLD A CANDLE TO NT. ONLY A MOUNTAIN TROLL WHO > SPENDS HIS DAYS SLOBBERING OVER A KEYBOARD HACKING SYSTEM CODE COULD EVER > GET IT WORKING. > > This os is not for the business world! I think there's one person who can decide who's right here: your boss. Forward this thread to him and see what he has to say. Be reassured: there are plenty of jobs available for NT people, and the standard isn't very high, since the good guys quit rather than work with NT. Oh yes: who are you going to blame when your NT server goes down? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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