From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 14:08:18 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99BEBA02DD4 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 14:08:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 636A11DBA for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 14:08:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-216-186-213-32.knology.net [216.186.213.32] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t8JE899f010638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 09:08:10 -0500 Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds References: <86vbb7dhaa.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150918134804.GU3158@zxy.spb.ru> <86oagzwf8j.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150919125023.GA21849@zxy.spb.ru> <20150919151517.739ab70a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150919133248.GB21849@zxy.spb.ru> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "William A. Mahaffey III" Message-ID: <55FD6C49.6090008@hiwaay.net> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 09:13:39 -0453.75 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20150919133248.GB21849@zxy.spb.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 14:08:18 -0000 On 09/19/15 08:39, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 03:15:17PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > >> On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 15:50:23 +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: >>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 12:10:36AM +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: >>> >>>> Slawa Olhovchenkov writes: >>>>> freebsd-update builds is inreproducible by the freebsd-update-server bug[s]. >>>> freebsd-update will most likely be gone in 11. >>> What is planed for replacement? >> As far as I could understand, pkg will deal with the components >> comprising the OS in the same manner as it does for the ports >> collection. So the kernel, the userland, the sources and so on >> will "become packages" for pkg to install or upgrade. This is >> a similar approach to common package management on Linux, except >> that Linux (as a term to summarize all the many distributions) >> doesn't have an OS ("the base OS") per se. > This is very bad. > >> You can already see this kind of development: The documentation >> has become a package, and the package manager itself is a >> package (separated from the OS, which only contains a bootstrap >> loader for the real program). Finally, the installation process >> could become a task of "pkg install", instead of "tar xf". And >> a unification of the infrastructures could lead to additional >> benefits (only _one_ system for both components - OS and ports). > I am have many troubles with this way in Linux. > Kernel and userland versions mismatch. > glibc version incompatible with rpm. > pkunzip.zip problem. > And etc. I *think* all they are planning is using the same 'pkg' system to maintain *separate* repos of software, still system *separate* from user pkg's, but I could be way off .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr.