From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Sep 17 15:05:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA14273 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost3.BayNetworks.COM (ns4.BayNetworks.COM [192.32.253.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA14254 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.BayNetworks.COM ([132.245.135.115] (may be forged)) by mailhost3.BayNetworks.COM (8.8.6/BNET-97/07/07-E) with ESMTP id SAA26423 Received: from pobox.engeast.BayNetworks.COM (pobox.engeast.baynetworks.com [192.32.151.199]) by mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (8.8.6/BNET-97/07/07-I) with ESMTP id SAA28285 Posted-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuva.engeast.baynetworks.com (tuva [192.32.180.119]) by pobox.engeast.BayNetworks.COM (SMI-8.6/BNET-97/04/24-S) with ESMTP id SAA25514; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:03:50 -0400 for Received: from tuva.engeast.baynetworks.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuva.engeast.baynetworks.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA11430; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709172203.SAA11430@tuva.engeast.baynetworks.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Wes Peters cc: Robert Withrow , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Minor problems with upcomming 2.2.5 In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:12:11 MDT." <199709171512.JAA02121@obie.softweyr.ml.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:03:49 -0400 From: Robert Withrow Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk softweyr@xmission.com said: :- I don't know that this is really something the FreeBSD team should :- concern themselves with -- customizing FreeBSD for your site. To be clear, that is *not* what I am asking. I think FreeBSD *should* be able to be installed, out of the box, and, with configuration, be able to run at this site. This has *not* been the case in the past because: 1) The installation process had bugs, and so you would have to fixup things post-install. 2) Certain modules in the kernel had to be replaced or patched, due to bugs. I'm not complaining... I understand these things happen. I'm simply saying that I can't ask users to patch and re-build kernels, and work around bugs in the installation disks. They tell me to get lost. ;-) So, my goal is two fold: 1) Help FreeBSD to get to the state where it *does* install and run without problems at this site, needing only local configuration. 2) Learn how to automatically provide this local customization for users. Only the first of these needs any attention from the FreeBSD team. Thanks! -- Robert Withrow -- (+1 508 916 8256) BWithrow@BayNetworks.com