From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 7 09:35:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B481065672; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 09:35:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E13628FC14; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 09:35:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcje9 with SMTP id je9so4505221bkc.13 for ; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 02:35:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=7BsYpQ1mzurElTQUgggq40RGpPADBQSJxHTdJWOC0iQ=; b=f2pat5vBP4lXn+/NYbRSel3A4d0fscSp1QROl6TVulQ0S8bSPN7zXC+sfkgoeU28ll /9R96Ae3gL1woeMddHWovZSi+hQxuTDVIdcXwSR9hTRvCCRi1EvsWWscD4h3JOiKbbDZ ohJp+W4771ePpAd7bwCWfd6EndLFPcl9SFhR0wcLZOzWO3iFe7jigivxkDVvbzJPU2Ic dLQ+jbBrI8bcXP+mtOzPz3SF1jmswJlOwOg1+NM6e8ACMo77UFf1cP3ljmW5/RtD7w+L 9ugazirOtStCn2BPlYK4W1DIwDNZDuN9pxZWNp68OmdCO7eYOnQ5qnnOYUdX6TX/oDOP quHg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.134.137 with SMTP id ic9mr2330258bkc.57.1341653716897; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 02:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.49.87 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 02:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.49.87 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 02:35:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20120705082857.GB37083@server.rulingia.com> <4FF55864.8040807@FreeBSD.org> <201207051215.44799.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20120706201721.GB1437@garage.freebsd.pl> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 10:35:16 +0100 Message-ID: From: Chris Rees To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Jonathan McKeown , Pawel Jakub Dawidek Subject: Re: Training wheels for commandline (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 09:35:18 -0000 On Jul 7, 2012 10:25 AM, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >> >> something they probably don't even know about, than to skilled users to >> turn it off. >> >> If this feature is going to prints quite a few extra lines, let's just >> add one more line saying: >> >> To disable this message run: echo set 31337mode >> ~/.tcshrc >> >> -- > > should i - from now, understand that this way of "extending" OS is considered right (i mean going down to newbies instead of going up) by FreeBSD developers? > > Please answer it is important for me, and many other people for a future. This is not 'going down'. This is adding features to help newcomers. You are free to disable them. It will not remove anything from FreeBSD. I point to Doug's statement on elitism. Chris