From owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org Tue Mar 12 05:59:41 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080A21546326 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 05:59:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x732.google.com (mail-qk1-x732.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::732]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92927763F2 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 05:59:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x732.google.com with SMTP id u22so735494qkj.11 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2019 22:59:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RbabkV9kypsw6MNwU5j0itiHwIwglZUb1UDBU2EYD0w=; b=UMzSBPl74ZhRiYGUf8BUR1gkFQbo6UbqgJNt9T9YFiKh5RknXVeI6b3Z9Mr+b0cKO4 1k3El1k7Su0gM8EJ1KhHZJoyre+9y6VrstRoU5+6EmjAMK9Zg2C/Gmq5fTBoWFrBmjng fveXMhAtiDpffVvOvlQXD/WlZz6ctmFQE/q9knF1YIVaCJpt8TD/aj+7/Ql5b+29ya8+ vQHiCs1rKlOPuFLOhIlwRJy6JprLcV0+5T+ZIQZ6gV/W17X5u03aUWrTe5QHXvx+DJDh JTNFnlbapKMFiLzVINo5KXQgmtSJFUrRv/SoM6o0J7v59StjFmGIrXodTRSN2SXk2gHJ tSIQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RbabkV9kypsw6MNwU5j0itiHwIwglZUb1UDBU2EYD0w=; b=EuDqnQ3bDDYaNan7VtuuHHV7DkF4sgRWix4FM49InTmr49rjc06qdTyR5FrPk6l7+E 8wULoqjHyFj+jFaJLrp9Va5J575VZmOQfk9N9EsKZ3B5YvPAkt5WRlvF0YrsBJYls0ZW 2PYpkoNGrySo1inDXoP0fTyYpc0nVQPQbzJ47ct6zbl7gqqdhU4drNzx5+mhsm4lQXJB ykJ9vU3xMrhMaqWu9KSKo30zAGFEf20NQ3iXImK9j3fFGCH5/PNnqRnxyQl2/VwRO6Zc ZX9l8NlNQcFutmaF0dCSdeeRj6R2dwoRrXaMdq6ivPg6wfM5h+d5weqlfGX9+m7+e6+v 8DEA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVYDv+5RP6Nn1GvBWaPMsKPQ+mzOFNLmhrfbl7NFl4VzIvhPiXK 7/aksU2k4niGRsjyOpaJ6Pjufgdg+QXKyA+r4OMEqw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzooDoaexI7deiOw/00SrOmHqEWqSYqIhQgg+kaVBKNeLDzSD6/yVgXhTxWcnUKJWh7YaWBQ7IqtpnnJVC9JGw= X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:132b:: with SMTP id p11mr5336603qkj.279.1552370380004; Mon, 11 Mar 2019 22:59:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201903091717.x29HHjcc069618@repo.freebsd.org> <201903092000.x29K0Rf6002120@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> <20190310150728.GA97029@FreeBSD.org> <20190311081644.GA87064@server.rulingia.com> In-Reply-To: <20190311081644.GA87064@server.rulingia.com> From: Warner Losh Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 23:59:28 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: svn commit: r344970 - head To: Peter Jeremy Cc: Alexey Dokuchaev , "Rodney W. Grimes" , Warner Losh , svn-src-head , svn-src-all , src-committers X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 92927763F2 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.98 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.977,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 05:59:41 -0000 On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 2:17 AM Peter Jeremy wrote: > On 2019-Mar-10 09:38:53 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > >On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 9:07 AM Alexey Dokuchaev > wrote: > > > >> On Sat, Mar 09, 2019 at 12:00:27PM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > >> > > New Revision: 344970 > >> > > binaries). Failure to do so may leave you with a system that is > >> > > hard to boot to recover. A GENERIC kernel will include suitable > >> > > - compatibility options to run binaries from older branches. > >> > > + compatibility options to run binaries from supported older > >> branches. > >> > > >> > This is probably not the best adjective here, supported only goes > back to > >> > 11.x, there are COMPAT options that work all the way back to 4. > >> > >> I concur, this "supported" word sounds like we barely give a fuck. > Being > >> able to run old (very old) binaries had always been one of our > strengths, > >> and we should not suggest that it's not anymore. > >> > > > >It isn't saying we don't support older binaries. It sets the limits on > what > ... > >upgrading from. We can (and do) support additional binaries, and having > the > >clarification here doesn't change that. > > I think the changed wording implies that we no longer provide compatibity > with unsupported branches. I agree that we might in future decide to > remove COMPAT_FREEBSDx for unsupported x but until then, I'd prefer wording > along the lines of: > "A GENERIC kernel will include suitable compatibility options to run > binaries from older branches. Note that the ability to run binaries > from unsupported branches is not guaranteed." > Thanks for the constructive suggestion. I appreciate you taking the time to make this better. 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