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I think not. Due to Apple's development, there is lots of "system within a system", which requires macOS support to make hardware components fully work. Trying to do so with FreeBSD requires hacks and time, and is probably not worth it. At least that's my very individual experience and opinion - I wouldn't try it if I wanted a system that fully works with FreeBSD. > my thinkpad had some twisted support for it's hardware, specifically > lacked Wifi support and occasionally shutdown or rebooted on it's own > and hence had to be sold back to the hardware vendor. Yes, that is a problem with recent Thinkpads. You usually don't have that kind of trouble with the older models, which also feature a much better keyboard, at least certain series and models do (look out for the TrackPoint device!). ;-) > since I am in the > no-machine state right now, wondered if a monolithic ally well-built > hardware like the mac pro be worth it. Running macOS on a Mac is the most convenient thing to do, and you can run FreeBSD within a VM on macOS. Running FreeBSD on bare metal probably isn't worth the trouble. If you want a laptop taht works with FreeBSD, you will have to invest some time to do research on what you can buy, especially if you want to buy something new. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...