From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 6 22:00:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40C94BBB for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 22:00:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx.ams1.isc.org (mx.ams1.isc.org [IPv6:2001:500:60::65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F394514D6 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 22:00:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmx1.isc.org (zmx1.isc.org [149.20.0.20]) by mx.ams1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E842383BF; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 22:00:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from zmx1.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zmx1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D28160446; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 22:08:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rock.dv.isc.org (c211-30-183-50.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.30.183.50]) by zmx1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A5F17160436; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 22:08:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rock.dv.isc.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by rock.dv.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BADCAB556F4; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 09:00:16 +1100 (EST) To: Rainer Duffner From: Mark Andrews References: <529D9CC5.8060709@rancid.berkeley.edu> <20131204095855.GY29825@droso.dk> <20131205193815.05de3829de9e33197fe210ac@getmail.no> <20131206143944.4873391d@suse3> Subject: Re: BIND chroot environment in 10-RELEASE...gone? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 06 Dec 2013 14:39:44 +0100." <20131206143944.4873391d@suse3> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2013 09:00:16 +1100 Message-Id: <20131206220016.BADCAB556F4@rock.dv.isc.org> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mx.ams1.isc.org Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Torfinn Ingolfsen X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2013 22:00:34 -0000 In message <20131206143944.4873391d@suse3>, Rainer Duffner writes: > > > > 2) that this mess around FreeBSD 10 will not slow the > > adoption rate of FreeBSD 10. > > > I don't think so. > Only a fraction of my servers ever needed BIND. > And where we need it, we're happy to install a port of it (which has a > lot of OPTIONS, which I saw for the first time only recently...) Actually *all* your machines (that include mobile phones, tablets, etc.) need a validating resolver on them which BIND can supply for FreeBSD boxes. Just because it can do other things is not a reason to discount it as a validating resolver. Setting up secure paths between machines is difficult. Setting up secure paths intra machine is trivial. > I can see the point for somebody who is running dozens of BIND-servers, > though. > Tracking BIND-updates via freebsd-update was/is probably quite > convenient. > > But, I have to say: if you do a major version upgrade, don't read the > release-notes (which will mention the absence of BIND, I assume) and > don't do a test-run of the upgrade on a non-critical-system, And lots of people don't have test machines and need to take a leap of faith when upgrading. 99.999% of the world takes Leap of Faith upgrades whether it is FreeBSD, Windows, Apple or Linux. > maybe you > shouldn't be running a nameserver at all in the first place. And BIND > even less so, IMHO. But they should all be running a resursive validating resolver on every box. Release notes are really only useful for small percentage of people. The same way as options on ports are only useful for small percentage of people. People don't expect stuff to be taked way in a upgrade as it is no longer a upgrade. And this was taken away after a long sustained religious battle going back years based on bogus arguments. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org