From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mon Nov 12 08:22:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6C71133FF6 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 08:22:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johalun0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x430.google.com (mail-wr1-x430.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::430]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27F7D837EF; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 08:22:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johalun0@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x430.google.com with SMTP id j17-v6so8207673wrq.11; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 00:22:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=QEjbxMUV6RVuaVVAjNfWr++4oGwuC9QgeWPd1od8ilY=; b=eN9nq5aT5ur/Cm+0Efq8dHxt5FN05uW9oJZZ/I9v3jfFHohGfUoPum5HuxJElyuyb+ KPV+u2mHoO6junPxdqI3+MlHk1taTn2Vy76eBWURgevpgwvkKbWEZcy0G9vSx8+K1HI2 ol7GJr0vAB/6InbCgpC4QUcHqcNwhVr0FKFdXhTcl6BNoZrBMoyzMYSYIn830tdWsWBC FNcWU+n+7ZtL39ce6bB/WxQP4bmdivTmQQkvb76H8eYmkStcb2XlqzlELu/fTiDCdwv9 yUosrK9MefpzEfpGchmw1sx+GhiW/SVvcZrVpR6kwWuSvMYljLfeZvzkm6pX7akESKew hgQw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=QEjbxMUV6RVuaVVAjNfWr++4oGwuC9QgeWPd1od8ilY=; b=inYaauhRW0NT8KbVojCdK1hNHefhJr3PsbkOQ/ohhu0euln3DQIB9Qq1qW8APXsD4P +5ivfy5yJVtT3OAw3GfQt+L57Hsd4A1cAcq7GARQXm3tguxXFQPiLhmGoYYWLeYcArZt dwM0xaRwsS2NJv8uK44oL7qlXHS2/RfYq7Zjx2aQ5ILhYbElJq+eYBf6XAz8SuWvRoBh OwLFZ7jpHfn1aamNw4Xcmpa32Kp1nWhT/WC5W9tcuWYeSMVXmTuEWC7Q4vcEQkRHSF99 Iop41uVzj15OhXVlGiA+RiMDuXO1ccpzkFGXUkneRrNJlykR3t3Y7fYjq6ol8b59Ical Utzg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gKc5MbW1VrQAVRZ0Of6v2kYba6rQaFLCsP6EN6lyiiYVp7krvK8 9XgpVs7ntaYKUeo8HRlhwps8Egq5TUZq7+e3uSU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5cKzUm/EnuDuIrRCNnKn99QgdmQxPlb9SrS1khXldAh5qZSEgrDxZpFNcPKY8UKjiasT17SmRe5d+j1lYX01BU= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:6204:: with SMTP id y4-v6mr6010wru.105.1542010950812; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 00:22:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <188F89D2-16A1-4483-AD38-CD346C1BBE0D.1@aspmx1.migadu.com> <1541958847.1699.1@smtp.migadu.com> In-Reply-To: From: Johannes Lundberg Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 08:21:53 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Graphics open-source-friendliness, AMD Ryzen vs. Intel To: dieterich.joh@gmail.com Cc: Allan Jude , freebsd-current X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 27F7D837EF X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.78 / 200.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.961,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[0.3.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-0.81)[ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.02), asn: 15169(-1.96), country: US(-0.09)]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 08:22:33 -0000 On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 2:04 AM Johannes Dieterich wrote: > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 4:48 PM Johannes Lundberg > wrote: > > > > I have an AMD Ryzen 3 2200G (with Vega graphics) and it panics all the > time > > with references to various memory access errors (use after free among > > other). > > > > Ubuntu is also unstable on this machine but Windows 10 works well after a > > windows update (I had to reinstall the previous motherboard with older > cpu > > to be able to run Windows update without crash...) > > > > From my experience, stay away from this CPU. > To put this a little into perspective: the R3 2200G is part of the > most recent AMD APU generation and contains the most recent Vega > graphics IP ("Vega 8"). It was officially released only in February of > this year. The most recent DRM in ports is 4.16, which itself was > released only in April. Problems with the 2200G on "older" Linux > releases are unfortunately well known. However, kernel 4.18 with > latest firmwares and BIOSs is documented to be stable on this platform > (see phoronix, Ubuntu 18.10 "benchmark"). > This is not related to graphics. It's just generally very unstable. I could reproduce zfs uma related panics by scp'ing files to this machine. Often I get panics in very early boot as well. I have all the latest HEAD, ports and microcode updates... Either it's just too soon to run FreeBSD on this CPU (which is why I don't recommend it yet) or, I have a bad CPU and/or memory (but given that Windows 10 runs fine this seems unlikely)... Configuration: ASRock A320M-HDV QUMOX 4GB DDR4 2133 2133MHz PC4-17000 PC-17000 (288 PIN) DIMM MEMORY 4GB AMD YD2200C5FBBOX Ryzen 3 2200G CPU with Wraith Stealth Cooler and RX Vega Graphics > Johannes > > > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 18:57 Allan Jude wrote: > > > > > On 2018-11-11 12:54, Greg V wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 3:42 PM, Thomas Mueller > > > > > wrote: > > > >> I may need to buy parts for a new computer because of malfunctions > on > > > >> current motherboard and CPU (Intel Sandy Bridge dating to May 2011). > > > >> > > > >> Question is whether I am better off, regarding > > > >> open-source-friendliness of graphics chips for running Xorg, with > AMD > > > >> Ryzen or the newer Intel chipsets. I know to avoid NVIDIA. > > > > > > > > > > My FreeBSD workstation use an nVidia Quadro K1200 and it works very > well > > > under FreeBSD with the nVidia kernel driver from ports. > > > > > > > Both are great for open source friendliness in general. > > > > > > > > Onboard Vega GPUs on the Ryzen APUs should work fine on FreeBSD with > > > > kms-drm 4.16. > > > > > > > > If you're looking for high performance though, don't get an APU, get > an > > > > 8-core (R7 2700X/2700/1700X/1700) and a discrete GPU (Radeon RX > > > > 550/560/570/580 depending on how much you care about graphics > > > performance). > > > > > > > >> I am inclined to run FreeBSD-current and build Xorg from FreeBSD > ports. > > > >> > > > >> When I boot into UEFI setup, I see the CPU temperature is or quickly > > > >> goes to 97 C and stays there. > > > >> > > > >> I tried replacing the thermal paste and installing a new case fan to > > > >> replace one that had quit, but CPU temperature still shows and stays > > > >> at 97 C. > > > >> > > > >> Now I have a replacement Arctic Cooler heatsink and fan on order to > > > >> replace the original Intel heatsink and fan whose connectors were > > > >> damaged in taking out and struggling to get back in. > > > >> > > > >> Currently, I boot into UEFI Setup, but after a couple minutes, the > > > >> computer powers off and then tries to power back on, then off again > a > > > >> few seconds later, until I end the loop by turning off the power > > > >> supply switch. I can guess CPU overheating. > > > > > > > > Yeah, a new CPU cooler should help. > > > > > > > >> I could transplant the current hard drive (Seagate NAS 4 TB) to get > a > > > >> quicker start software-wise. > > > > > > > > An SSD might provide a quicker start too ;) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > > > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > > freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Allan Jude > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >