From owner-cvs-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 14 09:10:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE8FD106566C; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:10:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zeising@daemonic.se) Received: from mail.lysator.liu.se (mail.lysator.liu.se [IPv6:2001:6b0:17:f0a0::3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631588FC1C; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.lysator.liu.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1F340011; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 11:10:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2B5040012; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 11:10:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on bernadotte.lysator.liu.se X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 Received: from mx.daemonic.se (h-45-105.a163.priv.bahnhof.se [94.254.45.105]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7054D40011; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 11:10:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mailscanner.daemonic.se (mailscanner.daemonic.se [IPv6:2001:470:dca9:0:1::6]) by mx.daemonic.se (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3WZ4qG1Wglz8gtM; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 11:10:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daemonic.se Received: from mx.daemonic.se ([10.1.0.3]) (using TLS with cipher CAMELLIA256-SHA) by mailscanner.daemonic.se (mailscanner.daemonic.se [10.1.0.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10025) with ESMTPS id J6mFaHZvracg; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 11:10:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.daemonic.se (mail.daemonic.se [IPv6:2001:470:dca9:0:1::4]) by mx.daemonic.se (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3WZ4qD0ZSKz8gtL; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 11:10:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tifa.daemonic.se (tifa.daemonic.se [IPv6:2001:470:dca9:1::6]) by mail.daemonic.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3WZ4qC6xvrz9Ctj; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 11:10:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tifa.daemonic.se (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by tifa.daemonic.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8103228F2; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 11:10:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <50013787.8010903@daemonic.se> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 11:10:31 +0200 From: Niclas Zeising User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexey Dokuchaev References: <201207131023.q6DANvUG081088@repoman.freebsd.org> <20120714070747.GB55269@FreeBSD.org> <500134AE.5050708@daemonic.se> <20120714090734.GA74863@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20120714090734.GA74863@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: cvs-ports@FreeBSD.org, Baptiste Daroussin , cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, ports-committers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/Mk bsd.options.mk ports/x11-servers/xorg-server Makefile X-BeenThere: cvs-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the ports tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:10:36 -0000 On 07/14/12 11:07, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 10:58:22AM +0200, Niclas Zeising wrote: >> On 2012-07-14 09:07, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: >>> I thought HAL was deprecated anyways, why not simply disable it by default >>> across the gang? I've never enabled it and X server always runs fine. >> >> The issue with HAL is that, while it is deprecated in the Linux >> community, we in the FreeBSD project does not have a replacement for >> HAL, wrt automatic mounting of usb drives (which can probably be solved >> using devd) and device recognition and addition in xorg (which is harder >> to solve). A lot of people expect to ust be able to run "startx" and >> have it recognize a mouse, keyboard etc. With that said, it is quite >> possible, and very simple to run x without hal. But then you need a >> xorg.conf, and you won't get automatic recognition of devices >> (keyboards, mice) that are plugged in after you've started x, regardless >> of whether they are in xorg.conf or not. >> Regards! > > Understood. I never wanted automounting and do not own an USB keyboard, > however, plugging USB or bluetooth mice always worked for me without HAL. > Perhaps I just have a lucky xorg.conf. ;-) > > ./danfe I usually have trouble with my USB mouse if I forget to plug it in before starting x. Plugging it out while running x, and then plugging it back in usually works though. Regards! -- Niclas Zeising