From owner-freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Thu Jul 21 08:26:44 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DBC2B9F600 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:26:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jg@internetx.com) Received: from mx1.internetx.com (mx1.internetx.com [62.116.129.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC5E1A01 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:26:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jg@internetx.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.internetx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428F149FC8B5 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:26:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: InterNetX GmbH amavisd-new at ix-mailer.internetx.de Received: from mx1.internetx.com ([62.116.129.39]) by localhost (ix-mailer.internetx.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PHAcCUheLwcZ for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:26:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.100.26] (pizza.internetx.de [62.116.129.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.internetx.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0BCD04C4C84E for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:26:38 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: HAST + ZFS + NFS + CARP References: <20160630163541.GC5695@mordor.lan> <50BF1AEF-3ECC-4C30-B8E1-678E02735BB5@gmail.com> <20160701084717.GE5695@mordor.lan> <47c7e1a5-6ae8-689c-9c2d-bb92f659ea43@internetx.com> <20160701101524.GF5695@mordor.lan> <20160701105735.GG5695@mordor.lan> <3d8c7c89-b24e-9810-f3c2-11ec1e15c948@internetx.com> <93E50E6B-8248-43B5-BE94-D94D53050E06@getsomewhere.net> <20160701143917.GB41276@mordor.lan> <01b8a61e-739e-c41e-45bc-a84af0a9d8ab@internetx.com> <4d13f123-de18-693a-f98b-d02c8864f02e@internetx.com> <98EE5DDB-64E7-4809-B300-AF4E02F30C24@gmail.com> <09615431-66C7-4594-BB07-BE93C8A21481@gmail.com> Reply-To: jg@internetx.com To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org From: InterNetX - Juergen Gotteswinter Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:26:23 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:26:44 -0000 Am 21.07.2016 um 10:24 schrieb InterNetX - Juergen Gotteswinter: Nevermind, good to see having you much fun with this project. wish you great secuess, but probably rethink some points and maybe consider the keep it fuc... simpl thing. less parts, less moving parts, less black magic which calls itself beeing smart / intelligent / proactive - theres so much bs out there.. Please, read this https://www.joyent.com/blog/network-storage-in-the-cloud-delicious-but-deadly where at the same point, like they descriped. guess what happened. > Am 21.07.2016 um 10:08 schrieb Ben RUBSON: >> >>> On 21 Jul 2016, at 09:51, InterNetX - Juergen Gotteswinter wrote: >>> >>> i whould not expect to see something like maybe 2040 or so. >>> >>> no offense agains the zfs devs, imho the fs itself is not the right >>> place for this. I could be wrong, if yes someone please feel free to >>> point at it. >>> >>> In the End, to me it looks like you have taken the most important >>> features out of hast, carp and probably rsf-1 cluster and with some >>> mixing and stirring one can get a solution like this. >> >> HAST (same for Linux DRBD) adds an additional stack between the disks and ZFS. >> In addition, HAST may require a lot of network bandwidth depending on the pool layout, much more than the incoming data throughput. >> Built-in ZFS replication would require not much network bandwidth than the incoming data throughput itself. >> Suitable for long-distance replication :) >> >>> no wont work, (somehow yes, but rather no: i dont know of anyone missing >>> active sync replication, and manpower for this important parts is >>> limited, but afaik theres the possility to sponsor such an addon. >>> >>> like, shut up and take my money >> >> We may then hope to see it before 2040 ;) >> >>> Am 21.07.2016 um 07:52 schrieb Ben RUBSON: >>>> >>>>> On 01 Jul 2016, at 17:02, Ben RUBSON wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I think what we miss is some kind of this : >>>>> http://milek.blogspot.fr/2007/03/zfs-online-replication.html >>>>> http://www.compnect.net/?p=16461 >>>>> >>>>> Online replication built in ZFS would be awesome. >>>> >>>> Note that I opened the following feature request a few days ago : >>>> https://www.illumos.org/issues/7166 >>>> >>>> Could be interesting to follow it. >>>> >>>> Ben >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-fs@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-fs >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-fs-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>