From owner-freebsd-security@freebsd.org Wed Jul 24 18:57:03 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F25B4FEC for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 18:57:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x22c.google.com (mail-lj1-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 360C56DB17 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 18:57:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lj1-x22c.google.com with SMTP id x25so45583042ljh.2 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 11:57:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=qGDV6E7uownCDScIcWJQkq8+zHGFgq5PK7JyH7dYTs8=; b=uLOCHBBWRuUGSzLXkGGb31gGoVIddVbYnrBgdR0C5TOr+mb1f5XlDtFvi7+NHMsyyk LE8QVYhJ/IFvD4uAFL4rQZjrWni+kd2ZEr/n2pnBstyR6hVo1OO8uJIHe87D3pH0b7qk ZRim5tGo4y2bRbx10p6nK5BIcRP1ZCFzOxnvIIZdcfeMGfmStrJtF/GuYTgZwWACVUdw f+v+m4y5A39KG89eq0S+aBaEsQ6eXQNjO/RNDEFi1Zd+ihRArny+5hWyw99UK5sRec27 UPqEL3ODxNBY8o0oFWXFhp3TWl28dbtX23Yz4rh0leWtGtiQMLsiT0ayFZeO0HZhhQKe lgWA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=qGDV6E7uownCDScIcWJQkq8+zHGFgq5PK7JyH7dYTs8=; b=alWUnwHSdKhGbKPL61SjiRcRcXK7IcYyz9Vg9I1vY4xZT5xGME/uAtjI3FAPiev0fj bSln/YMPpYtjfxCsiSiffMj6BleoAclpEA5kLL9mxf08WR8D5j/vFbNLeCrqtSRwaDCx ktRzOmH6j3SimOwgNvUdqzDv/UyLatZVgJRulI7SNdn4QNSXR0p1X3IFghgmSNp0tJ8Y cEN1Hn4q14K651gPO2mX09tgl0mR3n6xijYU7Y4hRFyNYSdMTJFxvJwvDwbKbS0227rG Fq3qUx7tbrYVd041Y42Ui4B2NBJZljeFHBvbNOKjmS0+RKQxwnESc+1P/MIGXsuh8KgV VaTQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAV4kK1aWU/33Bq+r4iRolRpTk1oX04yHYvJII/evrtAsHiYMR38 ZAgZBDpnGaXOb5zgiOJ3aSX5uC9aGLkiJXnU+kH6g08u X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqze+ECEGtpwrExcgwGyDzpPvUybqR0ktK4F+N9Uub1jUYmTfFqrMXDtdQU9g5YfywUDS6WNjWuGW2VYuREdJB4= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9a82:: with SMTP id p2mr45020852lji.64.1563994619080; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 11:56:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Robert Simmons Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 14:56:47 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Old Stuff To: "freebsd-security@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 360C56DB17 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=uLOCHBBW; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rsimmons0@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::22c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rsimmons0@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.99 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-security@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[c.2.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-3.00)[ip: (-9.55), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.99), asn: 15169(-2.43), country: US(-0.05)]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.975,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 18:57:03 -0000 The safer part of my speculation is specifically based on being less code to maintain overall. More resources devoted to a smaller code base. On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 1:26 PM Igor Mozolevsky wrote: > > > On Wednesday, 24 July 2019, Robert Simmons wrote: > > Lolz, right? :- > > > I wonder if FreeBSD should drop support for 32bit? Clean out and remove > all > > of it. It should make the code base easier to maintain, cleaner, and > safer. > > Because nobody has a 32bit computer nowadays??? Similarly, you got any > empirical evidence to back up the "... safer" part of your speculation? > > > In this same vein, let's deprecate and remove things like telnet and ftp. > > > How does the saying go, "if you think that encryption is the solution to > your problem then you don't understand neither encryption nor your > problem"? I would hazard a guess that over 95% of encrypted traffic needn't > be encrypted at all, but no commercial interest developed "integrity over > http" so we all have to suffer "encryption under http" instead. > > > -- > > Igor M.