From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 2 22:02:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [69.147.83.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BBA110656B8; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 22:02:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from opti.dougb.net (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09AB155B46; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 22:02:00 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4F7A21D8.1040604@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 15:02:00 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://SupersetSolutions.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120218 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Greco References: <201204021843.q32IhPGZ053424@aurora.sol.net> In-Reply-To: <201204021843.q32IhPGZ053424@aurora.sol.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, Mark Felder , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Please help me diagnose this crazy VMWare/FreeBSD 8.x crash X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 22:02:07 -0000 On 4/2/2012 11:43 AM, Joe Greco wrote: > As a user, you can't win. If you don't report > a problem, you get criticized. If you report a problem but can't figure > out how to reproduce it, you get criticized. If you can reproduce it > but you don't submit a workaround, you get criticized. If you submit a > workaround but you don't submit a patch, you get criticized. If you > submit a patch but it's not in the preferred format, you get criticized. I'm still not sure what you're taking as criticism. Nothing I've said was intended that way, nor should it be read that way. If you feel that you've been criticized by others in the manner you describe, you should probably take it up with them on an individual basis. My experience of FreeBSD as a community is that we tend to be both less critical of users, and less tolerant of it. Especially when compared to other communities that I've interacted with. Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection