From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 16:18: 0 2000 From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 16:17:58 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from gw.gbch.net (gw.gbch.net [203.24.22.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7588637B400 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:17:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 91630 invoked by uid 1001); 22 Dec 2000 10:17:44 +1000 X-Posted-By: GBA-Post 2.07 04-Dec-2000 X-URL: http://www.gbch.net X-Image-URL: http://www.gbch.net/gjb/img/gjb-auug048.gif X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5A91 6942 8CEA 9DAB B95B C249 1CE1 493B 2B5A CE30 X-PGP-Public-Key: http://www.gbch.net/gjb/gjb-pgpkey.asc Message-Id: Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:17:44 +1000 From: Greg Black To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sitting on hands (no longer Re: FreeBSD vs Linux, Solaris, and NT) References: <200012211753.LAA28708@guild.plethora.net> <20001222100503.B45529@internode.com.au> In-reply-to: <20001222100503.B45529@internode.com.au> of Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:05:03 +1030 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mark Newton wrote: > I get concerned that those who point to a lack of a QA cycle in open > source software are missing the point entirely: They're focussing on > the 'process' they're familiar with so much that they don't seem to > acknowledge that alternative approaches can demonstrate similar results. We open source zealots "know" this, but still it would nice to be able to point to some empirical data -- has anybody done a PhD thesis on it? If not, what are all the students waiting for? > At the end of the day, the track record of major open-source projects > speaks for itself: Yes, there are bugs, but there are bugs in commercial > software which is shaped and bounded by QA procedures as well. Overall, > though, I'd hazard a guess that open-source software is generally more > reliable (it is in my experience, anyway). Again, that's the common experience, but it's easier to have the experience you expect when you're not constrained by facts. I'd love to see some good statistics. After all, open source people didn't get the chance to have the Ariane-5 disaster, so our ability to point to an empty set of such examples doesn't really prove anything. I'm a True Believer in the open source / free software gospel, but it would be easier to win these arguments if only we had the data. -- Greg Black ech`echo xiun | tr nu oc | sed 'sx\([sx]\)\([xoi]\)xo un\2\1 is xg'`ol To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message