From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 4 00:31:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA25078 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 00:31:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA25069; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 00:31:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA25251; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:31:12 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA03622; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:31:11 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980304093111.30413@follo.net> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:31:11 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Gary Palmer Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0-RELEASE? References: <19980303092719.58779@follo.net> <14599.888976315@gjp.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <14599.888976315@gjp.erols.com>; from Gary Palmer on Tue, Mar 03, 1998 at 08:51:55PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Mar 03, 1998 at 08:51:55PM -0500, Gary Palmer wrote: > Eivind Eklund wrote in message ID > <19980303092719.58779@follo.net>: > > Idea: Would it be politically possible to include a 'dontation' field > > in the registration, where people could key in their credit card > > number, expiry date and the amount they want to donate to further > > FreeBSD development? > > A lot of ppl won't because its not a secure delivery. secure.flp, distributed from the US and Europe separately? This was part of what was implied in 'feasible' above. We should also be allowed to distribute 40-bit SSL freely, shouldn't we? (Not the source code to do it - but that can be taken care of through the normal secure/internaltion distinction, probably). Having said that: The secure/non-secure distinction is a matter of collective insanity. Credit cards are _not_ confidential information. (a) They can be calculated from scratch for less than 5 minutes work. (b) They can be extracted from credit-information companies that have security that can only be likened to an open door. (c) Everybody that use their credit card in any restaurant, hotel, gas-station, or shop is giving out unecrypted credit card information to people that they shouldn't trust. I used to track the so-called hacker/phreacker community pretty closely - the largest number of cards come from (b), while the largest number of people get cards from (c). _Anybody_ can get cards from (c) if they put down a tiny amount of work on it. Any kid playing at being a 'hacker' (media term) can get cards from source (b) through other kids not playing quite so lousy. At least the fact that any kid knows another kid that works in a gas-station should be obvious to the averagely clued person that takes 2 secs to think about it. Sorry for the steam; back to your regular programming. (I've just been frustrated over this for a _long_ time). > > If the estimated number of users is correct, and each donated $10, > > there'd be a cool $5M to improve FreeBSD. > > One way right now is to bu the CDROM ... its more than $10 I know, but > the proceeds are used to better the project. I'm doing that, but it isn't really a good way (for me) - it implies extra work, and it implies that part of what I pay go to something I don't need. I'd feel much better about giving money directly to the project. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message