From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 7 09:46:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4274A106566C; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 09:46:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 475528FC0A; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 09:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q679kolr058843; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 11:46:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q679knRS058836; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 11:46:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 11:46:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chris Rees In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20120705082857.GB37083@server.rulingia.com> <4FF55864.8040807@FreeBSD.org> <201207051215.44799.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20120706201721.GB1437@garage.freebsd.pl> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="2456600518-142706960-1341654410=:50444" X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 07 Jul 2012 11:46:50 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Jonathan McKeown , Pawel Jakub Dawidek Subject: Re: Training wheels for commandline (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 09:46:54 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --2456600518-142706960-1341654410=:50444 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT > This is not 'going down'. This is adding features to help newcomers.  You are free to disable them.  It will not remove anything this doesn't help newcomers. Just like "easy installers", "desktop environments" and so on. this only generate herds of morons that "know FreeBSD" and dissolve real user base. Same happened tens of times on almost every free software projects and you still cannot learn ANYTHING. Anyway as i asked Pawel (or other FreeBSD developers) if that attitude would become official or not in future - as it is very important. It doesn't really matter of that single detail. --2456600518-142706960-1341654410=:50444--