From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 30 16:05:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B014BDF0 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:05:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from outbound-queue-1.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (outbound-queue-1.mail.thdo.gradwell.net [212.11.70.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756F51360 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:05:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from outbound-edge-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (bonnie.gradwell.net [212.11.70.2]) by outbound-queue-1.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B1322114 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:04:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from cpc7-jarr12-2-0-cust882.16-2.cable.virginm.net (HELO amd.asgard.uk) (92.238.71.115) (smtp-auth username dave%pop3.dgmm.net, mechanism plain) by outbound-edge-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (qpsmtpd/0.83) with ESMTPA; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:04:40 +0100 From: Dave To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spam to list participants (from openhosting.com & softcom.com) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:04:39 +0100 Message-ID: <1837272.q1CDuW4zr7@amd.asgard.uk> User-Agent: KMail/4.12.4 (FreeBSD/9.2-RELEASE-p4; KDE/4.12.4; amd64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <20140430113114.GB1033@taco-shack.cow> References: <73354.1398734218@server1.tristatelogic.com> <20140430113114.GB1033@taco-shack.cow> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Gradwell-MongoId: 53611f18.1855a-7704-2 X-Gradwell-Auth-Method: mailbox X-Gradwell-Auth-Credentials: dave@pop3.dgmm.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:05:45 -0000 On Wednesday 30 April 2014 06:31:15 Mike Sanders wrote: > Olivier Nicole wrote: > > Spam is *not* sent to the list, so abuse button or anything will not > > help at all. > > > > The spamers harvest the addresses from some web archive of the list > > (or because they subscribed to the list themselves) but they do not > > use the list to send smap. > > > > FreeBSD list *cannot* help on the matter. > > Oliver, you've just (albeit unwittingly) proved my point by CC'ing > this message... > > No email address other than freebsd-questions@freebsd.org should be > broadcast to others. If you did not have access to my personal > email address (provided to you by the the freebsd list), then > you could not have emailed me off list to begin with correct? Part of the principles of the FreeBSD list operation is that one doesn't need to be a subscriber to use the list and so a request to be CC'ed in on list replies is needed and required in those cases. This may be a policy which needs to be revisited if enough list users care about it but the idea of the policy is to be as accessible as possible to as many people as possible. Over the years I've been subscribed, spam hasn't been enough of a problem to justify a change by the list operators.