From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 09:51:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740121065672 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:51:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanefbsd@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363468FC16 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:51:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanefbsd@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so3823736rvf.43 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:51:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=3NdkcexEvABh8fFCx+uQ5bzlAzxY3fgqY3TuzTxPS7g=; b=fRd4fuoyUVINPa6cyVJ0/3dETR4l9DyLQVL0mQukhArnLBNzHdYWCpolIUd0cLx2Zq y4smP21poieVACfD5hfhc4URBLNWMDD7CLITmwDI77DOMhSdzAWfo+rSA/agmG60BNEp INGUlGeydJ4NeD3EV/IpWtb1SmZATC521RyYA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=dXJGMVLmvD+QmpsoZvwWkNyu2L/Y0OZ4VsNSz6w+cI+NbuXmu5GmgmevjFnX19rRLT hcgTVUPdTH5OBt1YL9iV8THFE6fvHcocDh/SltnY15cTHX7hy+5l/g9OXpkHs1NdZE6G GOdS0DUtSqDkQVJAoJbMqL0vKnl82YUWPWuKU= Received: by 10.140.177.15 with SMTP id z15mr6848317rve.17.1228384294897; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:51:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.158.13 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 01:51:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d6fde3d0812040151t77ca6200n5aa5a644223c2040@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 01:51:34 -0800 From: "Garrett Cooper" To: "Robert Noland" In-Reply-To: <1228342356.2078.24.camel@wombat.2hip.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081128234155.0221e263@serene.no-ip.org> <4930D7CE.4080909@psg.com> <20081202220643.72eb52a3@serene.no-ip.org> <4936D0C2.2090306@zircon.seattle.wa.us> <1228342356.2078.24.camel@wombat.2hip.net> Cc: Randy Bush , "Conrad J. Sabatier" , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Artem Belevich Subject: Re: i give up X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:51:35 -0000 On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Robert Noland wrote: > On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 11:44 -0800, Artem Belevich wrote: >> > Second, DO NOT use motherboards with built-in video. These are almost >> > always nvidia chipsets and suffer from the nvidia problem. Also, the video >> > is crappy and buggy. >> >> I'd not discount them all as a class. Intel's built-in G33/G35 with >> recent DRM and x86-video-intel driver seem to work pretty well for >> accelerated 2D on the few boxes I have under FreeBSD-8/amd64. I even >> get 3D working on occasion. :-) > > Correct, Despite my occasional frustration with them, Intel is very > supportive. They are providing docs and code (linux code) and I have a > decent relationship with the Intel graphics devs. > > ATI/AMD has also become much more friendly and r500 and below should > work fairly well. r600+ is still under development. > > Interestingly enough, VIA just released docs on some of their chips as > well. I have it on my list to work on, but I don't yet have hardware to > work with. > > robert. > >> --Artem Eh? ATI can't write drivers to get themselves out of a cardboard box on Linux, let alone FreeBSD. I have little faith that they'll get functional 64-bit drivers before nVidia does, as ATI as definitely demonstrated that they don't care for the *BSD market as much as nVidia has. -Garrett