From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 31 08:12:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66BA16A41F for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:12:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danny@cs.huji.ac.il) Received: from cs1.cs.huji.ac.il (cs1.cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63BAD43D46 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:12:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danny@cs.huji.ac.il) Received: from pampa.cs.huji.ac.il ([132.65.80.32]) by cs1.cs.huji.ac.il with esmtp id 1EWUlt-000B8i-Fm; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:12:01 +0200 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.0 06/18/2004 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Pete Slagle In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:22:09 -0800 . Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:12:01 +0200 From: Danny Braniss Message-ID: Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:12:04 -0000 > >> I've seen that 'GENERIC' file has been modified, moving some lines to > >> 'DEFAULTS': > >> > >> device isa > >> > >> device mem # Memory and kernel memory devices > >> device io # I/O device > >> > >> Why? > >> What does it mean? Should we include 'DEFAULTS' in our customized > >> 'GENERIC'? > >> Or those lines are no more mandatory? > >> > > > > No, you don't need to include 'DEFAULTS', config(8) will take care of > > that for you. > > > > http://docs.FreeBSD.org/cgi/mid.cgi?200510271713.j9RHDNTo013082 > > > > AFAICT, this was done in order to automatically include devices which > > are essential in most cases so less experienced users won't accidentally > > break their systems and later complain that e.g. X doesn't work anymore. > > The whole mechanism seems like an obvious POLA violation. All the more > so without a note in UPDATING. > > Personally, I prefer less automated "help." In general, it might be > better to encourage those who need a nanny to run Windows, leaving > FreeBSD unencumbered for those who don't. IMHO. i agree 100%, i hate wizardy/black-magic, and this 'fix' falls in that class. Why was a 5ton hammer used to fix non existing problem? a small comment like 'you better keep these lines to make X happy' would have sufficed. my .5c, btw, im a happy freebsd user! danny