From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 13 09:21:03 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A16106566B for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:21:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com) Received: from smadev.internal.net (host3.dynacom.ondsl.gr [62.103.35.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D958FC08 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:21:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smadev.internal.net (localhost.internal.net [127.0.0.1]) by smadev.internal.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o8D9L07K028235 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:21:00 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by smadev.internal.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id o8D9L09O028234 for freebsd-java@freebsd.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:21:00 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com) From: Achilleas Mantzios Organization: Dynacom Tankers Mgmt To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <201009101658.04567.achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com> <20100910222331.GA29252@rix.kiwi-computer.com> In-Reply-To: <20100910222331.GA29252@rix.kiwi-computer.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:21:00 +0300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <201009131221.00549.achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com> Subject: Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask... X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:21:03 -0000 =CE=A3=CF=84=CE=B9=CF=82 Saturday 11 September 2010 01:23:31 =CE=BF/=CE=B7 = Rick C. Petty =CE=AD=CE=B3=CF=81=CE=B1=CF=88=CE=B5: > On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 04:58:04PM +0300, Achilleas Mantzios wrote: > >=20 > > Because tones of app(let)s were written on this technology, and those r= unning them cannot afford rewriting them. > > its easier to just fix the plugin than rewrite every applet on earth us= ing javascript. >=20 > Javascript doesn't provide everything that Java does, for example: thread= s, > socket connections, audio, file system access, native integration, etc. > Also although some implementations of javascript are quite fast, Java sti= ll > outperforms them for most operations. Also, DOM manipulation is terribly > slow compared to Swing even. >=20 You are correct. If someone is coming from a certain technological world, he can tolerate the many drawbacks of javascript. If he is coming from Unix/academics/open-computing world then it is hard to live up with the perception of quality in javascript. > Someone else wrote: >=20 > > > Java had its day. Time to move on. >=20 > HTML5 can't do many of those things either. Flash at least gives you > all of that except native integrations (which is unimportant for browsers= ). > Flash and Java won't go away until all of those problems are solved by > other means. HTML5 is *not* the final solution for the web by any means. > Although, I'd take h.264 support any day over applets. =3D) >=20 > -- Rick C. Petty >=20 =2D-=20 Achilleas Mantzios