From owner-freebsd-current Sun Feb 7 09:43:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA20005 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:43:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (b133.mat.net [206.246.122.133] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19994 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:43:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA75241; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:41:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:41:17 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: John Robert LoVerso cc: Andreas Klemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: some woes about rc.conf.site In-Reply-To: <199902071721.MAA18999@loverso.southborough.ma.us> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, John Robert LoVerso wrote: > > No I have to use two vi sessions (or one ,more' and one ,vi' session) > > in two different (!) windows (especially after a new installation, > > Or type "vi /etc/rc.conf /etc/rc.conf.site" and then hit ":N" to split > the screen into two sessions, one in /etc/rc.conf and one in /etc/rc.conf.site. > Use ^W to toggle between the the split screens. > > > IMNO (not that it matters!), I'd prefer rc.conf to go away and be replaced > by a SVR4-like "/etc/rc.init.d" with start and stop scripts. While I > hated initially back in '92 when it was first inflicted upon, I find it > much more useful than a single rc.conf file. Especially when adding in > optional packages. When I last did SVR4 admin, with ESIX, I kind of liked that. Now I'm in the midst of getting used to Solaris7 (which I stuck on the new machine, to give me broader experience) and I have to say, the extreme balkanization of the startup and shutdown scripts is disheartening. It's no doubt a wonderful thing for the folks who write GUIs to manage it, but I only like GUIs that are tightly under control (for years, I wouldn't touch GUIs at all). The extreme splitting up of the scripts is horrible for someone who wants to tweak scripts. Any thought of moving to a more layered style of admin'ing has to be very carefully considered, because it surely can make a hostile environment for anyone who doesn't want *precisely* what the GUI architect wants them to want. I want the move, but *please* don't let it be driven only by how much easier it is to control by a GUI. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message