From owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Sat Aug 11 10:33:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EDE810664E9 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2018 10:33:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: from mail.madpilot.net (vogon.madpilot.net [159.69.1.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B42E575902; Sat, 11 Aug 2018 10:33:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: from mail (mail [192.168.254.3]) by mail.madpilot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41ndcd2wCkz6dP9; Sat, 11 Aug 2018 12:33:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.madpilot.net ([192.168.254.3]) by mail (mail.madpilot.net [192.168.254.3]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18EeTbRsnD4v; Sat, 11 Aug 2018 12:33:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tommy.madpilot.net (host187-134-dynamic.250-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it [95.250.134.187]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.madpilot.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sat, 11 Aug 2018 12:33:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: The Italian translation has not been updated since 2008 To: Guangyuan Yang , dbaio@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <018ed56d-4f1c-107b-1c58-047cd3c22fa7@FreeBSD.org> <20180809101944.wfi2xlx4tojjz577@dx240.localdomain> From: Guido Falsi Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=mad@madpilot.net; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsBNBE+G+l0BCADi/WBQ0aRJfnE7LBPsM0G3m/m3Yx7OPu4iYFvS84xawmRHtCNjWIntsxuX fptkmEo3Rsw816WUrek8dxoUAYdHd+EcpBcnnDzfDH5LW/TZ4gbrFezrHPdRp7wdxi23GN80 qPwHEwXuF0X4Wy5V0OO8B6VT/nA0ADYnBDhXS52HGIJ/GCUjgqJn+phDTdCFLvrSFdmgx4Wl c0W5Z1p5cmDF9l8L/hc959AeyNf7I9dXnjekGM9gVv7UDUYzCifR3U8T0fnfdMmS8NeI9NC+ wuREpRO4lKOkTnj9TtQJRiptlhcHQiAlG1cFqs7EQo57Tqq6cxD1FycZJLuC32bGbgalABEB AAHNHkd1aWRvIEZhbHNpIDxtYWRAbWFkcGlsb3QubmV0PsLAeQQTAQgAIwIbAwIeAQIXgAUL CQgHAwUVCgkICwQWAgMBBQJS79AgAhkBAAoJEBrmhg5Wy9KTc0kH/RO64ORBlTbTHaUaOj8F Je5O5NU2Pt9Cyt5ZWBRvxntr1zPTJGKRPS9ihlIfqT4ZvEngQGp57EUyFbCpI0UWasTerImM tt5WACnGmCzUTB39UXx8Oy4b1EgWeTJQ747e/F1mQLXTNa6ijRBE9fYlTb4gAkPN88/wVV9v 3PZozKLTg16ghBzHM/P7Lk8L7clPEZChX1FTa/6eSt3nvzfCuTMZbBPJF/ph+q1KyPqRgVfh tyhu5dvgMoPz/ni41IfeSrkJTD5RXzdyGR9q4Z1NYeBsLkRjC4LxKAP5KqUsvlOUjKvO1byj ApYdMarol+IGkaSk9e3zVYAJkWKjn/ni8XbOwU0EUxB7QQEQAKFhrDceoPdK/IHDSmoj6SQY isvM7VdhcleS7E9DoEAVt7yMbf6HbbMVTTY6ckvwTWQssywLBXNVqxgc4WLJjzfUhgef+WE7 5M3+WFYlOVQLGZY/zEVgma1raYnOHNAOzeHLDmEXjbZP6vGAeDyBbGfQPpE7qGYZ7ubeT3Xw QO+PklcCrvOPj2ZPcAxGNS2xVU/LzONqCrJqLMJSIcCdsbiSP4G5PnDFHtMokaTY6OEr8OEQ fOAerhcHUa/z7Uu8YtmaqKH+QGkE/WEgaRqSiTnv0JOTD+DxehaqvoKPPZ++2NpCZMHB2i6A /xifmQwEiIjEXtcueBRzkNUQkxhqZyS13SrhocL9ydtaVPBzZatAEjUDDEJmAMLVFs45qfyh MiNapHJo2n3MW/E5omqCvEkDdWX/en3P7CK2TemeaDghMsgkNKax/z0wNo5UZCkOPOz0xpNi UilOVbkuezZZNg65741qee2lfXhQIaZ66yT7hphc/N/z3PIAtLeze4u1VR2EXAuZ2sWAdlKC NTlJMsaU/x70BV11Wd/ypnVzM68dfdQIIAj1iMFAD/lXGlEUmKXg5Ov2VQDlTntQoanCYrAg +8CttPzjrydgLZFq3hrtQmfc0se5yv1WHS69+BsUOG09RvvawUDZxUjW19kyeN9THaNRgow3 kSuArUp6zSmJABEBAAHCwF8EGAEIAAkFAlMQe0ECGwwACgkQGuaGDlbL0pMN5wgA4bCkX/qw EVC06ToeR6C2putmSWQMgpDaqrv65Hubo+QGmg2P4ewTYQQ4g6oYWS03qHxqVVWhKz7FjfrV +dH8qbCLfSgIcvdBha7ayGZVrsiuMLKGbw36fcmkZPpSDOfHcP0XH8Z+u9CWj0xUkTxAlZ/7 i6gYSUpG2JWNtdmE/X8VVEyXusCLwy0K0BI60A/4dRTIX3C4QKrJ3ZbUXegz70ynjHf+lQMZ 9IZKASoRMuS5FozPQh6abvmwZEPdf5I9riUElzvHrqJ8Bx0t3Pujdoth+yNHpnBxrtO8LkQd rQ58P0SwcaIX33T2U9pG8bhu5YVR88FQ8OQ0cEsPBpDncg== Message-ID: <1a61f514-b09f-ac35-c1e4-78bfcdaa48e4@madpilot.net> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 12:33:17 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 10:33:29 -0000 On 8/9/18 5:00 PM, Guangyuan Yang wrote: > Danilo G. Baio 于2018年8月9日周四 上午6:20写道： >> >> On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 09:55:28AM +0200, Benedict Reuschling wrote: >> >> And we have PR's stuck for years with translations, this discourages any new >> contributor. >> >> What we are trying to do is to work with po files through Zanata, like pfSense >> did. >> >> This is just a test for who is interested: >> https://translate.zanata.org/iteration/view/FreeBSD-pt_BR/test/documents?dswid=7254 >> >> There are people willing to help in the translation and this way they won't >> need to deal with svn or to install any tool. >> >> We just need to close a process about this and I'm having a good perspective >> about Zanata. >> >> We could even insert a stage in the translation process where FreeBSD members >> need to check/approve the translations there. [2] >> > > Currently, as the sole doc committer / translator who is working on > zh_CN tree, I really hope we could have web platforms that could > minimize the learning curve for casual translators. I introduced > several enthusiasts to the translation project, but as time passed by > they all gave up even if I already simplified the process for them (to > use git, GitHub and Poedit). I made a few tests this morning. poedit is crashing quite often for me. Maybe it's some bug triggered by Italian encoding/characters(we use lots of accented letters, both acute and grave depending on word meaning, actual grammatical rules are quite strict too)). I have also tested gtranslator which looks more robust. Apart from that a github workflow looks a little difficult, due to the need to solve merge conflicts on the whole file, and the various tools generating slightly different output. I also know for sure some of the people I could get to help me don't use git and would not be happy of it being mandatory for this work :) > > Zanata looks great, I will definitely try it out. Also, I loved the > idea of a stage where FreeBSD members can check / approve the > translation. Please keep me updated and let me know how I could help > with the toolchain. I created an account on zanata (madpilot) and I have made a quick test with the handbook file. It looks like its doing what is needed and can be used even by non developers (which is not quite true for git/github). Regarding this, maybe creating a single "FreeBSD handbook" project could be useful. Are other translators interested in testing having one common project on this platform? Looks like it is also possible to have multiple revisions in parallel, so each language team can work on its own target revision of the upstream handbook. Otherwise each language team can have it's own project if a more granular approach is deemed better. -- Guido Falsi