From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 21 11:25:01 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA924106564A for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:25:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (ns2.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0088FC0C for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:25:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.3/rdb1) id o9LBMxHX003855 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 06:22:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 06:22:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <201010211122.o9LBMxHX003855@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:25:01 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 20 15:04:17 2010 > From: Mike Jeays > To: Bob Hall , > FreeBSD Mailing List > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:05:34 -0400 > Cc: > Subject: Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD) > > On October 20, 2010 03:46:06 pm Bob Hall wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:07:55PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > > > On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > > > >> Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > >>> El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline > escribi?: > > > >>>> PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX > > > >>>> 780 days :-) > > > >>> > > > >>> I booted my first UNIX V7 tape on a PDP-11 around 1982, I think. > > > >> > > > >> Gotcha beat :) UNIX V6, PDP-11/34, RK05 disk cartridge, 1975. > > > >> The whole runtime fit on one RK05. The sources took a second one. > > > >> > > > > I remember the 11/34 fondly. The whole EE department at Cory > > > > Hall was running one one; then when I interned at Livermore my > > > > job of porting the "Portable F77 Compiler" was done with vi and > > > > the source code that Stu Feldman wrote. I love[d] those bloody > > > > old computers, :-) Dunno why. Maybe because they really > > > > *were* about computing. Not streaming [[whatever]] or having > > > > php running. (Blah^9^9^9) > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > Heck, when I started out, they didn't even have zeros and ones yet. > > > We had to settle for "o"s and "l"s ... > > > > When I started out, we didn't have read/write heads for the hard disks. > > We had to copy the data from the screen to the disk by hand using > > magnetized sewing needles. In order to read the damn things we had to > > pass a compass over the disk and see where the needle deflected. > > OK, I guess you win! End-of-thread time? Well, if one is going to get into that kind of bragging, the first *mainframe* I worked on didn't have any disks at all. purely mag-tape based. An early- generation IBM system/360 with a whopping 64k words of _core_ memory. The operating system was "TOS" (the ape perating ystem), predecessor of DOS, which the machine was upgraded to when they got a couple of hard-disks for it. Single user, bare-bones batch processing, punch-card input. late 1960s.