From owner-freebsd-amd64@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 18 18:24:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CBAA16A4CE for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:24:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A945843D49 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:24:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gert.cuykens@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 74so227907rnk for ; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:24:36 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=FpbhTtIV4UzT/YECjS/daJP+z5L5u7ZRL8iA3c/JQfe0CeEOO1G6v9uVQfy4bTAkSOjU+mspuGvSFu+0ZRz0IMAgN2t/6PFKljnATlCuA/mOiVaqQ47AALHuFg51LTrbi0ZP9IaU/wxKV5Ji9EEQ6LK11Lz2quRDnW2/Ac7zfnE Received: by 10.38.24.12 with SMTP id 12mr1534570rnx; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.72.65 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:24:35 +0200 From: Gert Cuykens To: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <417407B1.1080503@error404.nls.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041018032322.GA2635@dragon.nuxi.com> <1098094699.31294.2.camel@localhost> <20041018172918.GD5179@dragon.nuxi.com> <417407B1.1080503@error404.nls.net> Subject: Re: nvidia nic X-BeenThere: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gert Cuykens List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the AMD64 platform List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:24:37 -0000 Does nvidia give documents to microsoft ? Or does microsoft give documents to nvidia ? Why not ask microsoft for documents instead of nvidia ? On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:13:05 -0400, Ketrien I. Saihr-Kesenchedra wrote: > Gert Cuykens wrote: > > >Ok i agree but you also have to agree no matter how they made the > >chipset there has to be a solution that works els it would not work in > >windows either ? A os just tells the computer what to do right ? So > >its just a matter of asking the pc nicely enough :) > > > > > Ha. If only it were that easy. It's not. First off, you need complete > and full documentation for the hardware in question, including full > register maps. Since nVidia apparently couldn't make a usable chipset if > they stole the i440BX, I don't hold out much hope that their > documentation for nFarce3 would even be worth using as toilet paper. > Furthermore, nVidia has no interest in giving anyone any documentation > unless they're a manufacturing partner. They do all their drivers > (apparently quite poorly in many cases) in house. So no, it's not just a > matter of telling the computer what to do or asking nicely enough. > Especially when you're dealing with buggy and/or poorly designed hardware. > If you think you can get nVidia to release docs, please, be my guest. > People have been trying for a long time, and it's about as useful as > talking to a brick wall. > > -ksaihr >