From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Mon Oct 7 17:36:17 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E1C1351AA for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 17:36:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [130.225.244.222]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46n71r1Q5Rz4KpS; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 17:36:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (v-critter.freebsd.dk [192.168.55.3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by phk.freebsd.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFDAD1AF403; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 17:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x97HaDCJ019311 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 7 Oct 2019 17:36:13 GMT (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: (from phk@localhost) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id x97HaCHZ019310; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 17:36:12 GMT (envelope-from phk) To: Warner Losh cc: Julian Elischer , "Rodney W. Grimes" , Lev Serebryakov , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: New CPUTYPE default for i386 port In-reply-to: From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" References: <201910060322.x963Mwo1065732@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> <89501a69-ea37-7016-5ccb-286ff65b2e2a@FreeBSD.org> <18250.1570457337@critter.freebsd.dk> <390dc131-bd71-cba8-76c1-df30ed721f4f@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <19308.1570469772.1@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2019 17:36:12 +0000 Message-ID: <19309.1570469772@critter.freebsd.dk> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 46n71r1Q5Rz4KpS X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of phk@critter.freebsd.dk designates 130.225.244.222 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=phk@critter.freebsd.dk X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.88 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.94)[-0.943,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.dk]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.07)[ip: (0.08), ipnet: 130.225.0.0/16(0.11), asn: 1835(0.15), country: EU(-0.01)]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[phk@phk.freebsd.dk,phk@critter.freebsd.dk]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:1835, ipnet:130.225.0.0/16, country:EU]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[phk@phk.freebsd.dk,phk@critter.freebsd.dk]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2019 17:36:17 -0000 -------- In message , Warner Losh writes: >Yea. We've not been quickly self-hosting on this class of machines since >the move to clang. I have a 32-bit laptop with a ~1GHz Pentium-M and 512M= B >of ram that takes ~36 hours to do a buildworld and another 2 hours or mor= e >to do a build-kernel. And that machine is quite a bit beefier than the >Soekris 5501... :( Last I tried on a 5501 bw+iw+a couple of trivial sized ports took 10 days, and that was with a good SSD, most of that time were spent on clang compiling C++ code. -- = Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe = Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence= .