From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 8 02:42:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3910E16A46D for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 02:42:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nslay@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182B613C442 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 02:42:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nslay@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aF0i1Y0030x6nqc0A1Fc00; Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:38:43 +0000 Received: from ANTENNA.LOCAL ([68.35.224.189]) by OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aSeP1Y00F45o48c8Y00000; Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:38:26 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=4t0EGNEL7NIA:10 a=qdqSZza2AAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=jUfOFb2JAAAA:8 a=l5WvRLQHhrDUvD1AwNwA:9 a=3CvlvlIEf6OwS-EqsosA:7 a=9ZjSV9lgpLJJp_mcgXnyQYKXUQ4A:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=v47ZLdibA2YA:10 Message-ID: <4782E1D5.4080907@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:37:09 -0500 From: Nathan Lay User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071230) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" References: <542798610801060556h28d300f2n4fdcf21d83d2213f@mail.gmail.com> <47813D8E.9080603@fsck.ch> <542798610801061326o63f731d5o32bef2eb2624f85e@mail.gmail.com> <20080106222040.GB67243@tirith.brixandersen.dk> <542798610801061458m2a878a9dj2d33065de3642236@mail.gmail.com> <1199667145.899.39.camel@RabbitsDen> <542798610801071242y682bdf8br9fc9be5ea258702b@mail.gmail.com> <1199758576.718.31.camel@RabbitsDen> In-Reply-To: <1199758576.718.31.camel@RabbitsDen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Johannes Dieterich Subject: Re: overheating Thinkpad X60s with 7.0-RC1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:42:44 -0000 Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko wrote: > On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 21:42 +0100, Johannes Dieterich wrote: > >> Thanks for that reply! :-) >> >> On 1/7/08, Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko wrote: >> >>> >>> First -- the disclaimer -- mine is X60 (not X60s), but with 1.83GHz >>> 32-bit CPU, so it should be somewhat similar to yours. At the moment it >>> has USB drivers loaded, which tends to bump CPU utilization and >>> temperature. It has UltraBase attached and is sitting on top of the >>> aluminum passive cooler pad. >>> >> I guess the two should be rather similar. May I ask what you mean with >> "aluminum passive cooler pad"? Is that located underneath your UltraBase? If >> yes, does it help? Mine does not get that hot there. >> > Chunk of aluminum with two dead fans inside -- used to be "active cooler > pad" when fans were alive ;) I use second HD in the UltraBase every now > and again and it gets warm. > >> >>> I does look shade cooler then yours, and fan is running at the lower >>> speed. >>> >> An that is what makes me wonder... >> >> >> I will try to list things that I do/have done, and you can compare them >> >>> to your setup: >>> -- BIOS is updated to the latest level (I do keep XP partition for this >>> specific purpose). >>> >> That is not the case with mine because of the lack of a XP partition. Do you >> have any idea whether these FreeDOS BIOS-flash mechanisms are working? >> > On my 42p (work machine), I normally use USB floppy with FreeDOS to > flash the BIOS -- IBM^H^H^HLenovo usually distributes two BIOS updates > -- you want one marked as the "floppy version". I think if you look > through the mail archives, you should be able to find suggestion on > making bootable CD, if USB floppy is out of reach. > > > >> -- I set low CPU state to C2 in rc.conf >> >>> performance_cx_lowest="C2" # Online CPU idle state >>> economy_cx_lowest="C2" # Offline CPU idle state >>> >> Done. >> > Ahem... if "LOW" there does not render your machine unusable, it is even > better. > >> Concerning the later cpufreq discussion: done that too. So far so good. The >> cpufreq module gives >> >> module_register: module pci/ichss_pci already exists! >> Module pci/ichss_pci failed to register: 17 >> module_register: module cpu/ichss already exists! >> Module cpu/ichss failed to register: 17 >> module_register: module cpu/est already exists! >> Module cpu/est failed to register: 17 >> module_register: module cpu/p4tcc already exists! >> Module cpu/p4tcc failed to register: 17 >> module_register: module cpu/powernow already exists! >> Module cpu/powernow failed to register: 17 >> module_register: module cpu/smist already exists! >> Module cpu/smist failed to register: 17 >> > I guess, here might be another difference -- I load acpi as the module. > If you think it will help, I can mail you my kernel config outside of > the list. > > >> in the booting process. >> >> Then portupgrade gcc and trying to trace it with dev.acpi_ibm: >> >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%desc: IBM ThinkPad ACPI Extras >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%driver: acpi_ibm >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.HKEY >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=IBM0068 _UID=0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%parent: acpi0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.initialmask: 2060 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.availmask: 16777215 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.events: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.eventmask: 2060 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.hotkey: 1443 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.lcd_brightness: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.volume: 9 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.mute: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.thinklight: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.wlan: 1 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_speed: 3450 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level: 7 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan: 1 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 57 56 -1 54 37 -1 32 -1 >> >> when it started. Rather healthy although the fan is rather high. >> >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%desc: IBM ThinkPad ACPI Extras >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%driver: acpi_ibm >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.HKEY >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=IBM0068 _UID=0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%parent: acpi0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.initialmask: 2060 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.availmask: 16777215 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.events: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.eventmask: 2060 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.hotkey: 1443 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.lcd_brightness: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.volume: 9 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.mute: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.thinklight: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.wlan: 1 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_speed: 4081 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level: 7 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan: 1 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 81 57 -1 79 37 -1 32 -1 >> >> some ten minutes later. >> >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%desc: IBM ThinkPad ACPI Extras >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%driver: acpi_ibm >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.HKEY >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=IBM0068 _UID=0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%parent: acpi0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.initialmask: 2060 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.availmask: 16777215 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.events: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.eventmask: 2060 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.hotkey: 1443 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.lcd_brightness: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.volume: 9 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.mute: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.thinklight: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.wlan: 1 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_speed: 4709 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level: 7 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan: 1 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 87 57 -1 85 37 -1 32 -1 >> >> >> again ten minutes more. >> >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%desc: IBM ThinkPad ACPI Extras >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%driver: acpi_ibm >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.HKEY >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=IBM0068 _UID=0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%parent: acpi0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.initialmask: 2060 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.availmask: 16777215 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.events: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.eventmask: 2060 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.hotkey: 1443 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.lcd_brightness: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.volume: 9 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.mute: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.thinklight: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.wlan: 1 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_speed: 4675 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level: 7 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan: 1 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 88 59 -1 86 37 -1 32 -1 >> > Yikes! Can you, please, post results of 'sysctl dev.cpu.0' > > >> and this some ten/fifteen minutes before overheat. I find it remarkable that >> it apparently suddenly goes some almost 40 (!) degrees up. >> >> So what is left now is a BIOS update, or? Does >> http://taint.org/2007/04/23/153737a.html sound doable for anyone? >> >> Any other ideas? >> > Well, let's cvsup on the close dates (I do it on the regular basis > anyway), take my kernel config, build identical kernels, ditch the X > completely, remove systems from docks and away from cooling pads, run > something CPU-intensive and compare notes. We can do it off-list and > post summary in the case of success. > > For starters, why don't you send me your output of pciconf -lv > and /var/run/dmesg.boot along with /boot/loader.conf > and /etc/sysctl.conf. You can add you kernel config for the good > measure. > >> Thanks, >> >> Johannes >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > If you can, use DR-DOS (Caldera's DOS). Not to rag on FreeDOS or anything, but I've had bad experiences with FreeDOS and BIOS updates. http://www.drdosprojects.de/ Best Regards, Nathan Lay