From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Apr 20 14:57:20 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F78D48635 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 14:57:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.227]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cdptpa-oedge", Issuer "cdptpa-oedge" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E78C1A0B for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 14:57:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [65.186.81.207] ([65.186.81.207:33961] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-omsmta01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTP id B2/43-03423-74CC8F85; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 14:57:12 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] (helo=desktop.example.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1d1DWB-0006Zl-Ip for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 10:57:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Is pkg quarterly really needed? To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <58F61A8D.1030309@a1poweruser.com> <68ad0daa-b1f5-f3a6-f056-dcf2f0047d94@freebsd.org> <20170420060017.GG74780@home.opsec.eu> <92d4387e-4515-6e11-1e7f-5cc008eab836@freebsd.org> <360ca352-8b8f-ef4e-f92b-99e72a6ba918@FreeBSD.org> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <9a8b89b6-c061-3808-ec4e-18f6b0745960@columbus.rr.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 10:57:11 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <360ca352-8b8f-ef4e-f92b-99e72a6ba918@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.6:25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 14:57:20 -0000 On 04/20/17 07:29, Mathieu Arnold wrote: > Le 20/04/2017 à 13:04, Julian Elischer a écrit : >> On 20/4/17 5:15 pm, Mathieu Arnold wrote: >>> Le 20/04/2017 à 10:49, Torfinn Ingolfsen a écrit : >>>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Kurt Jaeger wrote: >>>>> Hi! >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 1:30 AM, Julian Elischer >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> quarterly however is broken because the pkg mirors discard it all >>>>>>> at the >>>>>>> time of update. >>>>>> Do they have to? >>>>>> Why couldn't pkg mirrors keep say, the four latest quarterly sets >>>>>> all the time? >>>>> Because the URL for the latest quarterly is one stable URL. >>>> Obviously this has to be changed. As I wrote: >>>> "No extra work involved once the setup is configured and tested". >>>> So yes, there is some work needed, but it would be a one-time job. >>>> >>>> If anyone has any real arguments as to why the FreeBSD project can't >>>> do it this way, let's hear them. >>>> HTH >>> >>> I am not exactly sure what you are asking for, to keep the previous, not >>> updated, quarterly package repositories ? say, in latest-1 latest-2 >>> latest-3... ? >>> >>> >>> What purpose would that serve ? I mean, they would not be updated. >> >> exactly! that's what is often needed... something that is not updated.. > > I still do not understand, if you need something that is not updated, > then do not update... > / rant on I tried that when I first transisioned from linux to FreeBSD. I had one BITCH of a time simply because I could not find one set of base/ports that would give me a stable desktop. It took me 6 months of random reboots ( the pc would just reboot for no reason, even if it was doing nothing ) packages that were in compatible with each other ( version hell ). I finally got my desktop settle down, then I became stupid and updated it only to go thru the process all over again. I started using synth ( now I can not use it because of the last dust up that occurred, I don't trust it now ), and now I have nothing to trust to get me out of trouble. I can not go back to a know version of base/ports that will together as I have not found the combination. Now before you think I am only complaining here is a little bit of history. I came from Arch then moved to LFS because of the rolling release. I know what a terrible time you have to keep things updated and working together. The exception with LFS you can go back to a known point ( where things are known to work together ) and restart from there if you have an entire mess and must start over. I am currently thinking of returning to LFS simply because updating FreeBSD and ports makes my asshole pucker. After updating will I be left with something that works or will I be cussing myself for being stupid and updating, when I sould have left it well enough alone. I really wanted for FreeBSD to work out so I could have one system for my servers, desktop and raspberry pi computers. /rant off Sorry if I offended anyone, I just wanted to share my delving in FreeBSD Well carry on and have fun my friends.....