From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sun May 19 18:13:01 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93940158A7EB for ; Sun, 19 May 2019 18:13:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd31.google.com (mail-io1-xd31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d31]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4609B6EDA1 for ; Sun, 19 May 2019 18:12:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd31.google.com with SMTP id z4so9327419iol.0 for ; Sun, 19 May 2019 11:12:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=h13p8eKB2wZAK2DnS0ae8Ac2PRkk7lTqMsVrlo7Im2M=; b=LrTutXXfEbyqmDMqPvY+aDApTDrha9XC/pSgxFKCsB3EMNxNYTNpPJbS1m/e9KRjt9 2Eu0lnxHipyby4ZrCqBKnMoBNNCG9HmR06jcBFlFOpdFGsowt1YWbIFZf2UQ7bCeJVOm wnIrwzg8gWqHrag2jewoRqaDXM5l7eYIqW+DoO6ooklclFf28ym6uwL8+GUSGrI5sbCz 9m8TGqhQHFDeCnlUR+zF8+dEluLSFCv1pAjPp9e1k+lnp0fBkC7ZF1X++GmhoPlvOAld wZ+YJqGo8o4E0cxCfwv1K3ajcaBnmrcRHT0IEYzHklZXtTwxY3IOMILqQCnKhVp4+xZf WPlw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=h13p8eKB2wZAK2DnS0ae8Ac2PRkk7lTqMsVrlo7Im2M=; b=VuarNoop3Cdf4vFTcLqTR8xABCxmuFImQYc1mAb2y4sfIw5pqgRPRuVHknXaWusdvL ma2d0BVk7p4Qrv9LftGw2TGknv3n1LM7X6EiUn7ah0M/NyNKx4E0gzRhjVRLHcrMVYQl zf8yvhaXcj1ddjVRY70oRt3kxmegT45eWq9syT9FpSMf+Qo5BqDx0m6Mn2zQz3c8JEsP 7+ftJY7EzBHSBgLoaRTEVm9HnKiWaGtrjinCVCGQZ3vFn2O2A5jrQUjGfBIRmr61ivBa 7ua2GAEJ+MfGc1wjg5NPGxuhSPDjlDSXPK0brH33kO77o0F8HrqHeoVw8Lb9tn0dwYl2 Lizw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUeS74xPZ3tKcY36ua0kiUJo1tNfmtbSGCbMdGwclNt316WhM80 JsuLrQTODHsPmHakW6lxHNQWF5PySs9xBL4aodc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqznSV15jN0DlC6WiH61g+ISicefhXM0ys9JdCbnHE5lauONrXbHCVHJuV4EtU9lE6bCI2lIG322HXA0fPlNH8A= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:da0f:: with SMTP id x15mr11719426iob.214.1558289578341; Sun, 19 May 2019 11:12:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <868svf6r05.fsf@phe.ftfl.ca> In-Reply-To: From: Adam Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 13:12:45 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD Core Team Response to Controversial Social Media Posts To: Igor Mozolevsky Cc: Warner Losh , Graham Perrin , FreeBSD Current X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4609B6EDA1 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=LrTutXXf; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of amvandemore@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d31 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=amvandemore@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.66 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.3.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.62)[-0.617,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-3.03)[ip: (-9.55), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.26), asn: 15169(-2.27), country: US(-0.06)]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 18:13:01 -0000 On Sun, May 19, 2019, 12:42 PM Igor Mozolevsky wrote: > On Sun, 19 May 2019 at 17:54, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > On Sun, May 19, 2019, 10:25 AM Graham Perrin wrote: > > > > > I know, it's not appropriate to find fun in a serious discussion, but > > > these six words did make me chuckle: > > > > > > > =E2=80=A6 freedom of expression =E2=80=A6 End of discussion. > > > > > > No offence intended. I was speed-reading (waiting for a browser to > > > launch) and those six words leapt out at me :-) > > > > > > > Yes. There will always be limits, just like in real life. You can't tel= l > > fire in a theater, and claim freedom of expression, for example. > > > > While that is an often cited example, it is rather tenuous as far as > "freedom of expression" is concerned: yelling "Fire!" in a crowded > theatre is by no measure an expression of one's views, thoughts, or > opinions. > Additionally, the ruling from which that quote came was used to suppress dissent and imprison people for just that. It is a very shaking foundation on which to launch a censorship campaign. The main group was sentenced for yelling fire when there really was one. >