From owner-cvs-all Sun Dec 13 09:27:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA18843 for cvs-all-outgoing; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:27:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA18798; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 09:27:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (IDENT:5oUZmKf1zNE8xnFNy0j1XyuT7/KIeX56@greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA26655; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:26:53 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (IDENT:/G/p4vAnMblT+X/sW21R13Kfku8slj0Y@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA58330; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:26:51 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199812131726.TAA58330@greenpeace.grondar.za> To: Matthew Dillon cc: Kris Kennaway , Eivind Eklund , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , John Birrell , jb@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc Makefile In-Reply-To: Your message of " Sun, 13 Dec 1998 08:34:23 PST." <199812131634.IAA05940@apollo.backplane.com> References: <199812131602.SAA42164@greenpeace.grondar.za> <199812131634.IAA05940@apollo.backplane.com> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:26:50 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Matthew Dillon wrote: > The single biggest problem people have trying to go from -stable > to -current is having to type make world (or other similarly large > target), wait an hour, and have it exit with an error, then fix > the error and type make world again, wait another hour, and have > it exit with another error, then fix THAT error, type make world > *again*, wait *another* hour ... > > See the problem? I agree with you that it is _a_ problem; I do not agree that it is _the_biggest_ problem. The large problem we are talking about here are folk without the necessary er, "talent" running current, and squealing because of the lack of varying features. To some extent, Current is a "puzzle"; you crack it, you're in, you don't, you get to wait outside until you do. Heck - the current team does not have the time to commit/fix "critical" bug reports. Making current luser-friendly is _waaay_ off the realms of likelyhood. All good intentions aside, there is simply not enough manpower, and full disclosure of this as documented in "Who should upgrade to Current?" in the Handbook (FAQ?) is IMHO the most appropriate. > When I went through the elf conversion on my home box two months > ago or so, it took *all* *day*. I had to restart the make 5 > times. Worse, it would get into situations where it had partially > installed something, and restarting the make wouldn't recover from > the partial install... it'd die somewhere else. Different problem; "make all" is 90% of what you want. > It would be a lot easier if there were a clearly defined and > displayed way to pick up a make where we left off after fixing > whatever little error caused the whole shebang to abort. :-) Fix "make all" - But I repeat myself. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message