From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 7 10:10:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2CAD106566C; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 10:10:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6E588FC1D; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 10:10:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcje9 with SMTP id je9so4514630bkc.13 for ; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 03:10:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=NwdplvTPAo9dFCzt2tktfQUJfxl4OB6BBuS2tY+kIHA=; b=nSfOGuY0/9Fn2uwfsEDk49S6Viyh4po19mRBahyeJdpZVnSb4pZHDzHSh3joNrehkS iPaHXEiMOdImLAcLjxRAiaIlrVVjxJCWQMBaOInzQMMouapy0x+1CCS8lsGO1OePEuGS r1RpWNX27wYIjKaQtT6oy9lZsH4wXzQ1NXBPWA6vjyHaIGRibGCifQM6zi6+aPqE7xTY y+7a6/II74tJYQwpl3XTk4rRCkn7EkrntoQb3IJF1+ZOJKVyim38FQaCpk4uNcCLpMCC lqXKMfuD/qrEtTRDu3N0g6G1taJtYZfq3l3GW4txlDBfCjGfC2BkBTsBczOF/DQF4BYP 3FDA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.133.11 with SMTP id hw11mr2424782bkc.46.1341655848672; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 03:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.49.87 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 03:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.49.87 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 03:10:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20120705082857.GB37083@server.rulingia.com> <4FF55864.8040807@FreeBSD.org> <201207051215.44799.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20120706201721.GB1437@garage.freebsd.pl> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 11:10:48 +0100 Message-ID: From: Chris Rees To: Wojciech Puchar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Jonathan McKeown , Pawel Jakub Dawidek Subject: Re: Training wheels for commandline (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 10:10:50 -0000 On Jul 7, 2012 10:46 AM, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >> >> This is not 'going down'. This is adding features to help newcomers. You are free to disable them. It will not remove anything > > this doesn't help newcomers. Just like "easy installers", "desktop environments" and so on. > > this only generate herds of morons that "know FreeBSD" and dissolve real user base. What is the 'real user base?' People who insult newcomers and call them morons? People who consider it cool to use a OS that is unnecessarily difficult to learn? Chris