From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Wed Jun 13 23:12:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5666F10222BA for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 23:12:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yamori813@yahoo.co.jp) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0A1816B7 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 23:12:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yamori813@yahoo.co.jp) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 8E27310222B4; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 23:12:17 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD0F10222B3 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 23:12:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yamori813@yahoo.co.jp) Received: from nh501-vm7.bullet.mail.kks.yahoo.co.jp (nh501-vm7.bullet.mail.kks.yahoo.co.jp [183.79.56.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 79DA4816AF for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 23:12:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yamori813@yahoo.co.jp) Received: from [183.79.100.141] by nh501.bullet.mail.kks.yahoo.co.jp with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2018 23:10:14 -0000 Received: from [183.79.100.136] by t504.bullet.mail.kks.yahoo.co.jp with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2018 23:10:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp505.mail.kks.yahoo.co.jp with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2018 23:10:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 210555.61927.bm@omp505.mail.kks.yahoo.co.jp Received: (qmail 57827 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jun 2018 23:10:13 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.jp; s=yj20110701; t=1528931413; bh=h1nmF6+dSMhXdTAUALJnMxxrecPJ3Be4OZQPtiaXxnA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:X-YMail-JAS:References:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FL+U1vYmVGgUtLRLum+LOnStn9QxeDdCv0ykPcd4cBm+EiBMYBdnhgTLU2o2gIPDNZdcycMcz+qHMQFtW5RBYMADeOWUMn3ONHS9WOFkwvBqw+3VF2ow71Cpi+hXufXYd6DbPuugBHdJpUMMf72ZYjgmj0cwqnG0eEg1lfJlB6M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=yj20110701; d=yahoo.co.jp; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:X-YMail-JAS:References:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LJgvbbK1g/LnSAKlrZ/Cx4gu9hmz0S0+IOywH6ov0iWZHzhomjQYQtGTFypKQZFoydrExxNPMWufC1esTmIH0ASB8UigFYf81KL1BAZ9Wipm1h6j2g5wcqANF27kBJxqWd+4mrQp96wmR/Mp8ehg+Bc3k5XPoYubuAiIgcvyM8k=; Message-ID: <861063.32056.qm@web101713.mail.ssk.yahoo.co.jp> X-YMail-OSG: 8Swe6woVM1lkyhri6SEJGpR0pOXoYO88EpoJExZ2vqiQuy48sc_9ZU4Ywf329Uzib26WLBzyl.hnm5uLnFRV2vHj0cc3qT0Ry99s2R_5okEkQytftDtiCLt2_wevelYtiCOEb1kj1Syu.eWAA0LfxMCenyisAMlQOPnOZvjQKLodpLQdQx7dy0dgWUO1663PImIcNU22LUizeuQPCk4UMmvYGxBp9Nfc.iXqTQuSYepLptTJUvhhd4s6fA0_Fc4B2yOVneXW.Ij0i8Vs_t8e_gPyxMQ8ER7lxi0ZvSJQMO2a3zAkx5ponsOXh9eRI.ph2kAQRUgFWuP6BRX3zjbNl3xdpF0ogjIJVTNcQZkdmm.1zVTqW9XToqObKKbtdRAWg.XwsmOTBGUhRUvq3eIN.5reYHgX0m4tAwC7Z9R2tT_sBkEYSfmD.OZYYqGgzydQqcKa.WNwytnL5qgzOi71ojOgHZ5kcpOqIl2NnULg9t.iEbtnlI4vFN_QHfKCrdkzvbKep4pP.Wbk3WPDT2ysG1wNQjH0UZbgChI7cb39VkWuz7qWgzfx0IcB8.Vt65Ru94KVF5zn9ZDIIhkNR.8tHkkDvwoYdTn48l6da5XU2HNkMloupzs1z.co9o1VOZ3C Received: from [203.165.91.75] by web101713.mail.ssk.yahoo.co.jp via HTTP; Thu, 14 Jun 2018 08:10:12 JST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.111_74 X-YMail-JAS: lCRctvMVM1lAWZKcdIKBOVMlzUV4IypNvOI1o41ca_b3K8LpSBF_yNyKkD0T4bAHyOzgVXmNfrTreaJXV3vE6sNJujYjqjIT8CnpsJcg8je3bhdHZl2HJTEcvfcL8v5iDh8M References: <540973.43848.qm@web101701.mail.ssk.yahoo.co.jp> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 08:10:12 +0900 (JST) From: Mori Hiroki Reply-To: Mori Hiroki Subject: Re: Armeb removal before 12 To: Warner Losh Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 23:12:18 -0000 Hi=0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0A>From: Warner Losh = =0A>To: Mori Hiroki =0A>Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.or= g" ; "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" = =0A>Date: 2018/6/14, Thu 07:57=0A>Subject: Re: Armeb removal before 12=0A> = =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 4:25 PM, Mori Hiroki wrote:=0A>=0A>Hi.=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>----- Original Message --= ---=0A>>> From: Warner Losh =0A>>> To: "freebsd-arm@freebsd= .org" ; "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" =0A>>> Cc: =0A>>> Date: 2018/6/14, Thu 01:55=0A>>> Subject: Armeb remova= l before 12=0A>>> =0A>>> I'd like to remove armeb before 12.0.=0A>>> =0A>>>= It's poorly supported today.=0A>>> =0A>>> Nobody has tested the concurrenc= y kit changes on it. And ck is now=0A>>> mandatory. We don't even know if i= t works or not.=0A>>> =0A>>> Last time we asked, it took quite a while to f= ind users.=0A>>> =0A>>> It maxes out at 256MB of RAM. This is barely large = enough for FreeBSD to=0A>>> run in.=0A>>=0A>>sys/arm/ralink target is only = 16M of RAM. I use bridge on this target=0A>>work fine.=0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A>Even= with current? It seems to have grown a lot. Even FreeBSD 11 on my atmel bo= ards, the 32MB ones can't really do much of anything (though a custom /etc/= rc.d might be usable). The 64MB ones I have troubles logging into without d= isabling a ton of stuff. And FreeBSD-current is even larger.=0A>=0A>=0A>Are= you using a custom rc.d in this setup?=0A=0A=0AOf course CURRENT.=0A=0Ahtt= ps://gist.github.com/yamori813/88224f1c96c9c592fb611b12a15e4ab5=0A=0A=0AI u= se custom rc.d by ZRouter build system.=0A=0AThanks=0A=0AHiroki Mori=0A=0A>= =A0=0A>I have FWIXP422BB target(Planex BRC-14VG) with 32M of RAM. I never b= uild=0A>>FreeBSD for this=A0target.=0A>>=0A>>I want build for=A0FWIXP422BB = but clang cross build is very slow. It take=0A>>7 hour on my machine.=0A>= =0A>=0A>I'm sorry to hear that. Even on my fast machines, it takes long tim= e.=0A>=0A>=0A>Warner=0A>=0A>=0A>=A0=0A>=0A>>> =0A>>> The hardware was last = made almost a decade ago.=0A>>> =0A>>> It uses non-standard non-mainstream = boot loaders (boot technology has moved=0A>>> on from redboot).=0A>>> =0A>>= > The cost of doing API sweeps, make universe runs, etc exceeds the benefit= =0A>>> to the project.=0A>>> =0A>>> So, given all these factors, it sounds = like a good candidate for retirement.=0A>>> =0A>>> Therefore, I'd like to r= emove it on July 15th.=0A>>> =0A>>> Comments? (please keep=A0 them on topic= to this specific thing: there's other=0A>>> things that may also be past t= heir freshness date, we'll discuss those in a=0A>>> separate thread).=0A>>>= =0A>>> Warner=0A>>=0A>>> ______________________________ _________________= =0A>>> freebsd-arm@freebsd.org mailing list=0A>>> https://lists.freebsd.org= / mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arm=0A>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "free= bsd-arm-unsubscribe@ freebsd.org"=0A>>> =0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A>