From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 17 19:19:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D1116A407 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 19:19:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bazerka@beardz.net) Received: from mail.btshosting.co.uk (mail.btshosting.co.uk [213.228.232.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27ECC43D53 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 19:19:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bazerka@beardz.net) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (host86-137-216-106.range86-137.btcentralplus.com [86.137.216.106]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.btshosting.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k8HJJpFl000578 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:19:51 +0100 Message-ID: <450D9FDB.5090406@beardz.net> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:19:55 +0100 From: Jase Thew User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060916193420.GA15647@xor.obsecurity.org> <200609162012.k8GKCi3x080193@fire.jhs.private> <200609162135.k8GLZkiO081098@fire.jhs.private> <20060916214219.GA19007@xor.obsecurity.org> <200609170019.k8H0JZre082044@fire.jhs.private> <450D07F1.9080301@samsco.org> <200609171818.k8HIIx15092881@fire.jhs.private> In-Reply-To: <200609171818.k8HIIx15092881@fire.jhs.private> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on mail.btshosting.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Attention Julian Stacey X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 19:19:54 -0000 Julian H. Stacey wrote: >> Julian, meet Kris. Kris has been the head of the FreeBSD ports team for > > Long enough without peer review. Leaders don't post flame bait. > > ----- Below _Not_ personal criticism of any individual. ----- > Ideas of Automatic peer review, rotations etc are used by clubs, > companies, & governments. I'm not aware if FreeBSD has adopted them yet. > - Reviews detects burn out, raised frequency of agression & attitudes etc. > Sabaticals, holidays etc are good for volunteers too, not just employees. > - Core are now elected by commiters, but when I suggested elections > way back, it was flamed on high, so peer review could happen too. > - 7 day suspensions for flamers could also help, unless they apologise > within eg 48 hours to list (not necessarily recipient) for abuse of list. > > The problem's not even really list abuse, but that tolerating > spurious alienating agression (by list or private mail) over years > from a tiny minority will have reduced code etc received in consequence > from numerous others deterred. We have no employing boss to knocks > heads, just the opposite, a few whose periodic implicit challenge > is: "Tolerate my periodic agression or I'll take my toys & leave." > Perhaps most wouldn't leave. If they did, we'd still survive, > FreeBSD even survived when John (swap) Dyson very unfortunately got > deterred & left, probably no threatened skill loss would be harder > to replace. > No disrespect intended, but I think you need to obtain a sense of humour. J.