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Macy" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 11:37:17 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: YcqGLBjADoDtXpu6XXvSQHD1BXU Message-ID: Subject: Re: Intel hardware bug To: Cy Schubert Cc: Eric McCorkle , Jules Gilbert , "Ronald F. Guilmette" , Freebsd Security , Brett Glass , =?UTF-8?Q?Dag=2DErling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= , Poul-Henning Kamp , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Hackers , Shawn Webb , Nathan Whitehorn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 20:33:09 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 19:37:18 -0000 On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 11:11 AM, Cy Schubert wr= ote: > According to a Red Hat announcement, Power and Series z are also vulnerab= le. > Link? > --- > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric McCorkle > Sent: 05/01/2018 04:48 > To: Jules Gilbert; Ronald F. Guilmette; Freebsd Security; Brett Glass; Da= g-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav; Poul-Henning Kamp; freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; FreeBS= D Hackers; Shawn Webb; Nathan Whitehorn > Subject: Re: Intel hardware bug > > On 01/05/2018 05:07, Jules Gilbert wrote: >> Sorry guys, you just convinced me that no one, not the NSA, not the FSB, >> no one!, has in the past, or will in the future be able to exploit this >> to actually do something not nice. > > Attacks have already been demonstrated, pulling secrets out of kernel > space with meltdown and http headers/passwords out of a browser with > spectre. Javascript PoCs are already in existence, and we can expect > them to find their way into adware-based malware within a week or two. > > Also, I'd be willing to bet you a year's rent that certain three-letter > organizations have known about and used this for some time. > >> So what is this, really?, it's a market exploit opportunity for AMD. > > Don't bet on it. There's reports of AMD vulnerabilities, also for ARM. > I doubt any major architecture is going to make it out unscathed. (But > if one does, my money's on Power) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-arch@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-arch@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"