From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 27 21:57:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77948106568B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:57:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f218.google.com (mail-gx0-f218.google.com [209.85.217.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE048FC1E for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:57:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so158842gxk.3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:57:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; bh=Pm4oMHXmyBx+XEv78VBVdYNZrtYSemfVKTKfIr6h3uk=; b=cO4EnpjbAnyh7XNcfe1JksFXDb1iQjO7Z/kJNeD5N8Uzk7CpfpoCPzl3ZL3J18c13T qX+sLF/K87wRt9eIcA09BYefD3WuHNx1k/u94dUtpyq2ubMrnoFTpdd7OvtSwawaHnvd eftqZ6gJdZYV9ZSOs7bOvVP52eGCV5QN4rCEE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :message-id; b=iXhXgSWy9I3LARac03jQY/DAx4LooYH4EYmr3Cyv6YGN7gBE5J+kf3wyLGgM4O+GNy F4L5MuPP2EG3qlLW67YEC0KXxEnZ/3JBe+ec1oVRD6johcBw9Oz9StE8lxGJNkL5OoMZ nlIzDagzVnN9lRq/prkHC22YJIZ5voHP7lbZk= Received: by 10.150.241.5 with SMTP id o5mr15936533ybh.173.1256680620475; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ([190.177.192.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm152024gxk.13.2009.10.27.14.56.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:56:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:56:56 -0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <200910271844.18697.gnemmi@gmail.com> <44fx94zg4x.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> In-Reply-To: <44fx94zg4x.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910271956.56741.gnemmi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:57:01 -0000 On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:22:22 pm Lowell Gilbert wrote: > I probably should move this bikeshed to freebsd-chat... > > Gonzalo Nemmi writes: > > On Tuesday 27 October 2009 6:20:35 pm Frank Shute wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 09:24:58PM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > >> I can imagine that a lot of people do use sendmail - it's > >> documented in the handbook for starters. If it was taken out and > >> replaced with another MTA then there would be complaints that > >> sendmail has been taken out or "replacement MTA" is the "wrong > >> one". > > > > Well .. someday UFS will be replaced by ZFS .. > > Maybe. That's still quite a way out, and who knows what else will > come along in the meantime? HammerFS? A heavily armed Oracle lawyers squad team with 9mm. and willing to use them without a second thught?? Just a joke =P > > .. and one day Perl > > just dissapeard from base .. yet the worl kept turning, and even > > better .. no one got hurt ;) > > I remember quite a bit of pain. It was worth it, because maintaining > perl in the base was causing pain on an ongoing basis, but it was a > problem for users in a number of different ways. See what I mean? It actually paid off for most people .. but do you remember all the complaining that went on back then? What makes it any different now? And what would you say ... removing perl was more daunting that replacing Senmail? Honest question. > > in the other hand, those not complaining, will probably be really > > happy .. so ... > > So you keep saying, but I don't think there's any solid evidence. > Your experience is one thing, but although I consider myself a > postfix user, I have machines that run sendmail because it just > worked for their purpose with no configuration at all. Didn't the same thing happen when perl was removed? Some complaining, some cheering ... > > Doesn't ZFS mean that you have to reconfigure (or even reinstall) > > your system? > > No. Your old configuration works just fine if you still want to keep > using it. You won't get the advantages of ZFS, but having it in > FreeBSD didn't bre Oh, sorry Lowell, I mean you had to reconfigure (or even reinstall) if you want to make use of it :) Sorry, I should've been more clear about that. Best Regards Gonzalo