From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 13 19:08:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B648C16A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:08:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1835C43D46 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:08:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6DJ8hum022994; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:08:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Barney Wolff From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:52:00 EDT." <20040713185200.GA74359@pit.databus.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:08:43 +0200 Message-ID: <22993.1089745723@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: phk@critter.freebsd.dk cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CVSUP and 5.2.1 RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:08:46 -0000 In message <20040713185200.GA74359@pit.databus.com>, Barney Wolff writes: >On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 08:28:32PM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> In message <20040713182351.GA72492@pit.databus.com>, Barney Wolff writes: >> >On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 01:05:45PM -0500, Jason Dusek wrote: >> >> >> >> I ran make world this morning. I ran make kernel as well, but the kernel is >> >> broken, so I kept my old kernel. Does this mean that I have a RELEASE >> >> kernel but a CURRENT world? Am I headed for trouble? >> > >> >To core: >> >How many users do we have to sabotage with "make world" before it gets >> >removed from the make targets? Is it really that hard in the very rare >> >case when "make buildworld && make installworld" is what's wanted to >> >type exactly that? >> >> And your argument here is that people are reciprocally less likely >> to hose (or as it may be: not hose) their systems because the have >> to type 27 characters more to do so ? > >Yes. That's why there are safeties on guns. Or, since I'm using US >metaphors, "make world" could be considered an attractive nuisance, >like an unfenced swimming pool. If you sit back for a moment and think about the number of barriers a user must already scale to get to the point of typing "make world", then I think you will see that adding 27 extra characters is not going to change anything. In particular not when compared the the number of places we have to change (to the extent we can) documentation which mentions "make world". You might as well try to change the shape of the carinals hats. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.