From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 4 00:10:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC3C616A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:10:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from snark.piermont.com (snark.piermont.com [166.84.151.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A5543D39 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:10:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from perry@piermont.com) Received: by snark.piermont.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D4D7BD988C; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:10:16 -0500 (EST) To: "Poul-Henning Kamp" , tls@rek.tjls.com References: <11487.1109886334@critter.freebsd.dk> <20050303215114.GA18604@panix.com> From: "Perry E. Metzger" Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:10:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20050303215114.GA18604@panix.com> (Thor Lancelot Simon's message of "Thu, 3 Mar 2005 16:51:14 -0500") Message-ID: <87wtsogtjr.fsf@snark.piermont.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 16:36:07 +0000 cc: tech-security@netbsd.org cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: cryptography@metzdowd.com Subject: Re: FUD about CGD and GBDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 00:10:18 -0000 Thor Lancelot Simon writes: > I think there's a misunderstanding here. Why do you think secrecy > (unpredictability?) is an important property of an IV for a block > cipher used in CBC mode? It's not an encryption key, it's an IV. Indeed. The IV can (subject to some constraints) be anything you like. Not having it public at very, very best denies one block from the ciphertext to the attacker -- ultimately not very useful in this application to prevent cracking given the low unicity distance. -- Perry E. Metzger perry@piermont.com