From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sun May 12 17:18:11 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B808C159CAF7 for ; Sun, 12 May 2019 17:18:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qt1-x82a.google.com (mail-qt1-x82a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::82a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A73B680976 for ; Sun, 12 May 2019 17:18:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qt1-x82a.google.com with SMTP id f24so7818064qtk.11 for ; Sun, 12 May 2019 10:18:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=3fvZ7w7BaRkWP7k3ZDdbF/Z7b15Y7ExHi3kLfecnTYg=; b=JfPzz55dXMlQRASDdeY1Q7erUFyplj46fn0gRjhfIkNalKbI/4bBwNOiyuhzj9Tfft zWE4QZS/cVmBw/AIIoEhH+hr8CgTQaret0viOQJ8Cq2vAPJUpFfW9ARMQhJ7kLrvCP3a YThlNg78LLteILTji4E0e1ZstF6HFl4jzNYlSvlderjNy30TC/76YMIHxpHgiCyd/JPb /RbMTW53dLcygeF84U9fI5HSHUCvOmDSWMpoF/yxmnkvb/Ilc3cLY/zFWI3/tvrCEVNE UM0KMFSQV9JpszV4nlckPNGzlVBXzfnHOAehr6yPMiGEdIToJGB7Ly04gJ5CUN5jU/jP Fd8g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=3fvZ7w7BaRkWP7k3ZDdbF/Z7b15Y7ExHi3kLfecnTYg=; b=cWrVxkrgb8PIYTt6lSn477sPMfs6HyDNxHk67vA8Pgs0NKvhz8jfdmZ5Sss1C8hxT1 /uXek0JhddXFttqXHFMx4LU1xumGscIz//ZyPOCpRK7LXJ3eKCyC2nx4hSi/xx09rzNM DIGxP+5CYAkusK5if6XOYuaLtCwMCvke94EeDdl0sWdrJtkO46HrPy4Tm5GHyNekoyAu VB/Eqrz484gD8zwFvKA2BiXcerigDNRy8Ro4ruFDEqnreQH2XppwKCqt2WILFIlVsrwu +DSWTekWsfKtkT0T1bWa2uSVHoVVEgJupJFCSJiihccS9CkVvmtVLHSUn272qcsfyoNg /0iA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW79SokmGnn6stKnS/AUPpy66Idrj9gkwIJ/wVZRWIX+bkSidW2 qmsdmx1xDR2Ai1BmTU63/F5GFUcmKF88g1r4Shh/6w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxpNnM49tU+YQZYf3AKctedqQyIx9s2NDJ5tz7T3VV9z6JfOyv1bVkdd6S1YO84Y0/3q2oaQAcTxal57IU9s+Y= X-Received: by 2002:aed:3c6d:: with SMTP id u42mr14910599qte.118.1557681489988; Sun, 12 May 2019 10:18:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201905111433.x4BEWnlX058386@fire.js.berklix.net> <3c911071-f794-1e27-87e1-16a789a95852@grosbein.net> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 12:17:57 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FCP-101: obsolete driver removal planned for 2019-05-18 To: Eugene Grosbein Cc: "Julian H. Stacey" , Brooks Davis , freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: A73B680976 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=JfPzz55d X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.96 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsdimp.com]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: ALT1.aspmx.l.google.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[a.2.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.968,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; IP_SCORE(-2.98)[ip: (-9.35), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.24), asn: 15169(-2.27), country: US(-0.06)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 17:18:12 -0000 On Sun, May 12, 2019, 12:00 PM Eugene Grosbein wrote: > 12.05.2019 8:21, Warner Losh wrote: > > > >> I've posted a review to remove obsolete 10 and 10/100 Ethernet > drivers > > >> as previous approved in FCP-101. > > >> The following drivers are slated for > > >> removal from FreeBSD-HEAD (to be FreeBSD-13): > > >> ae, bm, cs, de, ed, ep, ex, fe, pcn, sf, sn, tl, tx, txp, vx, wb, > xe > > > OMG ! ed ! That EOL's loads of PC boxes I have (& a show box of > > > spare) that will never be able to upgrade. > > Do those boxes have 10M-only or 100Mbps variants of ed(4)? > > What kind of hardware do they have (CPU and memory-wise)? > > > > There are no 100M ed variants. There are some PC Card variants that have > 100M MII connections, but they are limited to about 12Mbps due to bus > limits. Even the PCI ones didn't have 100M mii connections. > > There was RTL8029AS "NE2000-compatible" 100M 32 bit PCI 2.1 adapter. > Not sure if ed(4) supports RTL8029AS. > It does, but there is the same limitations. The card can't do DMA, so it's limited by inb/outb limitations. It also only has a 10Mbps transceiver built in. If people sold 100M attachments, it still won't do much more than 10Mbps. Warner >