From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sat Sep 5 04:05:49 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D083DD901 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 2020 04:05:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x72b.google.com (mail-qk1-x72b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Bk1DX43X4z3Zbh for ; Sat, 5 Sep 2020 04:05:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x72b.google.com with SMTP id f142so8369285qke.13 for ; Fri, 04 Sep 2020 21:05:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=g5nVLuRoClNHU4RJf0INmhnBxBVzjDYHpbf6URCc7vE=; b=rYfjJqWaWIkC94Sg6gssGiIzHX5wyijoVl7Kik6w7vj4X0UQ7Wjx9SvXkS7BPfMy0p jf/qph1TOb84UzbjfKbeBLPhdBRzdYV73FEy0q9RUaXWEhfJogG1P7q87asCu5uJQuyb 3nziFm7RXm3XFHuL4EGHksga67nWCbJH6nITi8xJ8YcozChYCuGEiESYV436oBlOnAgU TzfvC0xaDErBZwwh5T42mklBcnTEhiDqWfH/2sKzd0bp3j7KtiobpmE4pgD2QYXv+DcZ nn2q2OUbSQJoEplOhO7lYdFmNAB6NTD2BVwE+/Gd8yxF4mNS5vthhFJ4dZH+QXD6iXMg WkiA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533AumvB1Vwkb+lE/Ym0N1v4VACf+QVe8JBRSb6EZx4zvz0BvMn8 OUTRe5NYr1FdJvQhmk5gnlkjqi7V4ITzci1dglaElg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxQa4DlT/eHZeJWf9OrSFKH+rIcekxo/x1Gofs2+1dfbR8mlr/ILHiRnHSThzePQVhQsqemKDq1opgiZQj4Ggw= X-Received: by 2002:a37:e508:: with SMTP id e8mr10563528qkg.380.1599278747569; Fri, 04 Sep 2020 21:05:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200902045939.GA15897@eureka.lemis.com> <20200902060117.GG53210@home.opsec.eu> <20200902063136.GA47543@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20200902164706.GA49777@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 22:05:36 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Plans for git (was: Please check the current beta git conversions) To: Steve Kargl Cc: Ed Maste , Kurt Jaeger , "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" , FreeBSD Current X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Bk1DX43X4z3Zbh X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.76 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.04)[-1.041]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.978]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsdimp.com]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.75)[-0.746]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72b:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2020 04:05:49 -0000 Steve, I was wrong to freak out so badly at your suggestion. I can give you an explanation for why but it was wrong for me to do so. I thought that the doc was better than it was and so I couldn't understand and flashed to anger rather than listening. So even so, my tone is well below the standard I try to set for myself: so it was doubly wrong. I've been doing it a lot this year, guess I'm not coping as well as I thought with the times. It's no excuse, though, and I'm sorry. I felt bad about over-reacting so I came back to things fresh today. On fresh reading, your suggestions are good ones. Very similar to the ones I came to after spending some quality time trying to edit the document you'd offered the suggestion to. The content and focus isn't quite right there. I spent a couple hours trying to fix it, only to find myself in a dead end I couldn't puzzle my way out of before quitting for the day... I'll give it another try over the weekend or next week. So please accept my apology for being a jerk, yelling at you in a truly unprofessional way and screaming when I should really have been listening. Again, anything I say by way of explanation doesn't justify it at all. Warner On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 11:11 AM Warner Losh wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 10:47 AM Steve Kargl < > sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 02, 2020 at 12:14:08PM -0400, Ed Maste wrote: >> > On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 at 02:31, Steve Kargl >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > > A short intro on git for svn users: >> > > > https://hackmd.io/ML5TSl8mQ5-27B5eqDf7YA?view >> > > > >> > > >> > > ROTFL. From the "short intro", 2nd sentence. >> > > >> > > New committers are assumed to already be familiar with the basic >> > > operation of Git. If not, start by reading the Git Book. >> > >> > This doc started as a direct translation of the Subversion primer, >> > which has as its first sentence: >> > > New committers are assumed to already be familiar with the basic >> operation of Subversion. If not, start by reading the Subversion Book. >> > >> > As with the Subversion primer the doc is intended to provide a quick >> > reference for day-to-day commands, but not act as a reference or >> > introduction to the entire theory of operation of the associated VCS. >> >> Like GCC, which did the svn to git dance at start of the year, >> FreeBSD is throwing away a decade+ of corporate knowledge of >> working with svn and /usr/src. What is needed is a succinct >> translation of the most common svn commands translated to git. >> >> Checking out /usr/src as user@freebsd.org >> >> svn checkout svn+ssh://user@svn.freebsd.org/base/head /usr/src >> >> git ... >> >> Checking out /usr/src without freebsd.org account >> >> svn checkout https://svn.freebsd.org/base/head ${HOME}/freebsd/src >> >> git ... >> >> Creating diff against updated head. >> >> svn update >> svn diff > patch.diff >> >> git ... >> >> Adding a new file >> >> svn add /usr/src/libm/msun/src/_s_sinpi.c >> >> git ... >> >> Committing a change to /usr/src >> >> svn update >> svn diff | more (everyone does one last check, right?) >> svn commit >> >> git ... >> > > This is an insultingly stupid comment to make. We don't need people to say > the obvious. > > This sort of comment isn't helpful. People will just ignore you if you > make too many of them like it. > > Warner > > >