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[174.109.225.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x184sm457580ywe.109.2019.06.28.05.57.44 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 28 Jun 2019 05:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (HP-ENVY [192.168.0.102]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45Zxd35H5Qz3G9D for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2019 08:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 08:57:41 -0400 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I've got a major question... Message-ID: <20190628085741.00004f06@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <23830.1302.518060.256402@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <20190628072716.7efaf909.freebsd@edvax.de> <23830.1302.518060.256402@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.3 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 15D7470FBE X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=MUelxvRn; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.37 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt1.aspmx.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.90)[-0.902,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.96)[ip: (-9.27), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.13), asn: 15169(-2.33), country: US(-0.06)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[c.2.b.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 12:57:47 -0000 On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 08:16:22 -0400, Robert Huff stated: >Olivier writes: > >> The very few times I need to launch Word, it is a version of 2003, >> bought in 2003, never paid anything since. > > I have heard it said 95+% of the people composing a text > document >only use abilities present in Word for Windows 2.0. MS did a survey regarding office a few years ago. Over 90% of the users where not aware that Office has a built in calculator. Most users have no idea what the true functionality of Office really is. Then again, most non-power users will never need that functionality. >> What puzzle me even more is people accepting to buy their cars >> through leasing: you pay every month, for 3 years, and at the end of >> the 3 years period, you have... nothing. While it may make sense for >> a business (fix cost every month, if the business stop its business, >> it has no car left, but a dead business needs no car), it makes no >> sense for individuals. > > Aesthetically, some people like driving a late-model car and > are >willing to pay for the satisfaction. > Operationally ... it is my understanding that - especially as > one >goes further up-scale - the lease includes a care package. The more >miles put on the car, the greater the value of free dealer-provided >routine maintenance. There may be other reasons, which are left as an >exercise for the reader. I lease all my vehicles, and have for several years. The cost is cheaper for starters. There are tax incentives if used for business. Plus, I like getting a new vehicle every three years. I lease for three years, but there are other plans available. Plus, the dealer picks up most maintenance charges. >> And it makes even less sens for something like software that will >> not stop working or loose its functionalities with time. > > That depends on the software. > If your program is _entirely_ stand-alone, then you're correct. > But if it depends on programs not under your control ... and >they're getting upgraded ... then it can "lose" functionality. > Example: Novell, or better yet Banyan, networking. I agree, this is something that has to be determined at retail. > For some, leasing is a bad deal and they should buy/find a free >alternative. > But if leasing were that bad, it wouldn't be a growing market. >(Plenty of stupid out there; plenty of not-stupid too.) I agree. The end user should always explore all options and carefully weight them against their actual needs, both now and hopefully at least 3 or 4 years down the line. More if this is a business venture. Unfortunately, most people never look past today. -- Jerry