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Tue, 07 Oct 2025 11:22:01 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <837b6748-528a-43d7-8fa5-220fb4c274f9@app.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <837b6748-528a-43d7-8fa5-220fb4c274f9@app.fastmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Yann_Kerherv=C3=A9?= Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2025 11:21:33 -0700 X-Gm-Features: AS18NWC106HDYe9iCf0TWecZA9cvakd5NPH5SoNlTGl3KLvI-r9KZqbTB7XqSIE Message-ID: Subject: Re: upgrade of poudriere builders to major versions To: Dave Cottlehuber Cc: freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e8f63e064095a441" X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.92 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.92)[-0.925]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; 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I can't use my 14 > > builder machines because the jail is not happy and the ABI changed > > enough in 15 that it doesn't work (IIRC 13->14 was ok). > > Yann you might need to provide some more info. What does > "jail is not happy" mean? > Sorry for being unclear: It is 1. "[2025-09-29T00:16:47.863Z] [00:00:00] Warning: !!! Jail is newer than host. (Jail: 1500064, Host: 1403000) !!!" and 2. "2025-09-29T00:16:48.654Z] [00:00:01] Error: /opt/poudriere/share/poudriere/bulk.sh:jail_start:316:Unable to execute id(1) in jail. Emulation or ABI wrong." 1. is just a warning. 2. is fatal (and I guess I was warned with 1) > > At a very high level, you should be able to: > > - upgrade host to 15 (currently in ALPHA5 only) > What method do you recommend for that? > - continue to use your existing poudriere setup > - add a 15.0 builder by `poudriere jail -c -j 15amd64 -v 15.0-ALPHA5 -K > GENERIC` or similar > I've also backported a old fopen patch from John Baldwin https://github.com/bsdjhb/freebsd/commits/stdio_file/ onto the kernel of the builders and their jails > > > How is FreeBSD's releng infrastructure deal with this? > > FreeBSD releng infrastructure typically runs a recent-ish CURRENT > now at 16.x, and builds from sources, using the makefile targets > in /usr/src/ & /usr/src/release to ensure a pristine build env, > not poudriere. > I see, thanks > Generally, I'd suggest waiting for at least the BETA or RC to > test, follow https://www.freebsd.org/releases/15.0R/schedule/ > for timelines. > Yes, I wanted to get ahead of the release schedule a little bit to get early test results Thanks Yann --000000000000e8f63e064095a441 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


> What's the recommended way to jump from 14 to 15? I can't use = my 14
> builder machines because the jail is not happy and the ABI changed > enough in 15 that it doesn't work (IIRC 13->14 was ok).

Yann you might need to provide some more info. What does
"jail is not happy" mean?

Sor= ry for being unclear:
It is 1. "[2025-09-29T00:16:47.863Z] [= 00:00:00] Warning: !!! Jail is newer than host. (Jail: 1500064, Host: 14030= 00) !!!" and 2. "2025-09-29T00:16:48.654Z] [00:00:01] Error: /opt= /poudriere/share/poudriere/bulk.sh:jail_start:316:Unable to execute id(1) i= n jail. Emulation or ABI wrong."

1. is just a= warning. 2. is fatal (and I guess I was warned with 1)
=C2=A0

At a very high level, you should be able to:

- upgrade host to 15 (currently in ALPHA5 only)

What method do you recommend for that?=C2=A0
=C2=A0
- continue to use your existing poudriere setup
- add a 15.0 builder by `poudriere jail -c -j 15amd64 -v 15.0-ALPHA5 -K GEN= ERIC` or similar

I've also backport= ed a old fopen patch from John Baldwin=C2=A0https://github.com/bsdjhb/freebsd/commit= s/stdio_file/ onto the kernel of the builders and their jails
=C2=A0

> How is FreeBSD's releng infrastructure deal with this?

FreeBSD releng infrastructure typically runs a recent-ish CURRENT
now at 16.x, and builds from sources, using the makefile targets
in /usr/src/ & /usr/src/release to ensure a pristine build env,
not poudriere.
=C2=A0
I see, thanks
=C2=A0
Generally, I'd suggest waiting for at least the BETA or RC to
test, follow https://www.freebsd.org/releases/15.0R/= schedule/
for timelines.

Yes, I wanted to get ahe= ad of the release schedule a little bit to get early test results

Thanks

Yann
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