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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 10:57:30 -0400 Message-ID: <2e0401d5372f$ccbc9800$6635c800$@ixsystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQJWFIEFoFMVwZy5WoQYCdHHc8VrkwHCH5IrpbQlPVA= Content-Language: en-us X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2AD3A8F6DE X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=ixsystems-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=qb1nZqKW; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=ixsystems.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kris@ixsystems.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::c30 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kris@ixsystems.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.95 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ixsystems-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ixsystems-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: ALT3.ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.com]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[0.3.c.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ixsystems.com,none]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.962,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.98)[ip: (-9.25), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.17), asn: 15169(-2.42), country: US(-0.06)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 14:57:34 -0000 I'm keeping the port pretty updated for exactly this reason. We intend to use it for FreeBSD 12 here at iX, so far it seems to work pretty well. You'll just need to build world without ZFS so you don't end up with conflicts on zfs/zpool and libzfs. -- Kris Moore -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org On Behalf Of Alexander Leidinger via freebsd-hackers Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 4:54 AM To: John Kozubik ; freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How many "production" releases will FreeBSD have when the ZoL merge comes in ? Hi, is using ZoL from ports an option for you? Bye, Alexander. -- Send from a mobile device, please forgive brevity and misspellings. Am 10. Juli 2019 01:36:02 schrieb John Kozubik : > Friends, > > I am confused as to how the ZFS On Linux merge will be available > before 2022. The current supported release lifecycle page states: > > "11.4-RELEASE + 3 months (or September 30, 2021)" > > ... and I have heard very pessimistic responses about the ZoL merge > going into the 12 branch. > > So I *think* that one of the following must be true: > > > - We will, at some point, have *three* production branches with > -RELEASE > distributions: 11, 12 and 13. > > - ZoL will actually come into the 12 branch, despite recent pessimism. > > - Neither of the above: ZoL comes in the 13 branch, which will not > overlap with the 11 branch, which means (basically) 2022 as the > earliest production (-RELEASE) version of FreeBSD with ZoL. > > > Some background ... > > > We at rsync.net, which runs exclusively on FreeBSD, are *dying* to get > native encryption and raw send. As you can imagine, we can only run > -RELEASE versions of FreeBSD. > > We really want to give Linux users the ability to 'zfs send' to their > rsync.net accounts like FreeBSD users do, but 13.1-RELEASE[1] is a > *long* way off - perhaps over three years from now. > > Three simultaneous "production" releases seems silly. > > So that leaves ZoL coming in the 12 branch as the only outcome that > isn't terrible news. > > > I wonder if there is any of the above that I am mistaken about, or > some news I have missed ? > > > Thanks, > > John Kozubik > > > > [1] In practice, we also don't run x.0 releases in production which > sounds bigoted and superstitious but I can point to 5.0-RELEASE and > you need no further explanation. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _______________________________________________ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"