From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 4 00:12:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56FF816A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:12:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from snark.piermont.com (snark.piermont.com [166.84.151.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11BB43D1F for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:12:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from perry@piermont.com) Received: by snark.piermont.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4B88DD989A; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 19:12:29 -0500 (EST) To: tls@rek.tjls.com References: <200503030155.j231to9f088685@marlena.vvi.at> <20050303221446.GA26823@netbsd.org> From: "Perry E. Metzger" Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:12:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20050303221446.GA26823@netbsd.org> (Thor Lancelot Simon's message of "Thu, 3 Mar 2005 17:14:46 -0500") Message-ID: <87psyggtg2.fsf@snark.piermont.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 16:36:07 +0000 cc: ALeine cc: tech-security@netbsd.org cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FUD about CGD and GBDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 00:12:30 -0000 Thor Lancelot Simon writes: > On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 05:55:50PM -0800, ALeine wrote: >> >> He designed GBDE to always be harder than and never easier >> to break than the cryptographic algorithms it relies on. > > Some very well-intentioned (and plenty smart) people at MIT > designed the PCBC cipher mode to always be harder than and > never easier to break than the cryptographic algorithms it > relies on. Don Coppersmith designed the CBCM mode to always > be harder than and never easier to break than the CBC mode > of the 3DES algorithm. FYI, Don Coppersmith has forgotten more crypto than most people in the world in the field have ever known. Among other things to his credit was this little algorithm called DES that he helped bring to life. He too makes mistakes. Perry