From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 6 21:22:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA05362 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:22:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA05267 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:22:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA27388; Wed, 6 May 1998 22:22:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA07997; Wed, 6 May 1998 22:22:02 -0600 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 22:22:02 -0600 Message-Id: <199805070422.WAA07997@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mike Smith Cc: Nate Williams , Archie Cobbs , stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke), luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? In-Reply-To: <199805070313.UAA00577@antipodes.cdrom.com> References: <199805070346.VAA07828@mt.sri.com> <199805070313.UAA00577@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Huh? You're claiming that PnP is the answer to all my problems, and the > > fact of the matter is that none of the hardware that has these problems > > have a PnP bios, so it solves nothing. > > > > My 560 doesn't have a PnP BIOS, and neither does Warnar's Libretto, nor > > do any of the ThinkPad's that I have access to, nor the NEC's, nor do > > the Hitachis. > > Ok, now we're getting somewhere. Do you actually know that the systems > in question don't have PnP BIOS functionality? I know that some of them pre-date the PnP specification. > > So, your PnP solution doesn't even begin to solve the problem I'm > > having. > > Ok. But it solves a lot of other peoples' problems. The fact that it > might not be the magic bullet _you're_ after doesn't alter the fact > that it's a huge improvement over the current situation. But, the solution should be generic enough to solve the existing problems, so we don't have to break compatability *again* when a solution is found to fix other problems. > > You're spreading misinformation by stating that the PnP BIOS is the > > panacea to all of the resource problems, when in fact it only solves a > > minority of the problems that people are seeing, and in fact we can't > > even talk to the PnP BIOS so it's not even a workable solution yet. > > It's nice to see that a few obscure laptop systems are a "majority" As you are well aware, laptop support is more than 'obscure', and is IMHO one of the largest growing market segments of all hardware sold. Unfortunately, FreeBSD's support of them *sucks*. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message