From nobody Fri Aug 8 20:54:58 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4bzGWH68cwz645qw; Fri, 08 Aug 2025 20:55:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo69.interia.pl (smtpo69.interia.pl [217.74.67.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4bzGWG58Fyz3WwF; Fri, 08 Aug 2025 20:55:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=interia.pl header.s=biztos header.b=Z6rELHuP; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vermaden@interia.pl designates 217.74.67.69 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vermaden@interia.pl; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=interia.pl Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2025 22:54:58 +0200 From: vermaden Subject: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature To: Rob Wing , Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?= Cc: "sthaug@nethelp.no" , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org" X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 In-Reply-To: References: <20250808.091053.1322595805169591390.sthaug@nethelp.no> <86h5yi43kp.fsf@ltc.des.dev> <86wm7d1ze2.fsf@ltc.des.dev> X-Originating-IP: 45.148.42.1 Message-Id: List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1754686504; bh=Bl8StcwMhBphcQf/GfB5PqqruwF6RsfuEjup3cxNuFA=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Z6rELHuPf6mDFckbOVi0LWxIDW5AnTwd29kz2pYp7Q5UbWJJlAG8dOc74tM5OBR0j httW4TkCQQTbdqcP1MirTlNlVE1T266s2VvG2wq9tNS3i3cgM12djJMLXhTtYloy9k nJ6NcTHcamcfVr8htqdi8WA/zf7UMD6L9hcLhJZ0= X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.10 / 15.00]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[interia.pl:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[interia.pl,quarantine]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(-0.20)[217.74.67.69:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[interia.pl:s=biztos]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.74.64.0/22]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; SUSPICIOUS_AUTH_ORIGIN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[interia.pl]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16138, ipnet:217.74.64.0/22, country:PL]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[interia.pl]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[interia.pl:+]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org,freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org,freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4bzGWG58Fyz3WwF X-Spamd-Bar: --- Thank You for support Rob. It was definitely not my intention to scream/yell at anyone. I am just sharing my concerns here. I am just a sysadmin - I do not have a commit bit - I am not a FreeBSD deve= loper - I just share what I believe may push FreeBSD into direction to make= it better - because after all these years with various UNIX (AIX/Solaris/H= P-UX) and Linux systems FreeBSD seems to be the best and most sensible over= all option - the "Jack of All Trades" - its the option that sucks the least= . ... and even if all these 'bad' - in my opinion - decisions will take place= - that pkg(8) would be able to destroy FreeBSD Base System - I will still = use FreeBSD - because even if FreeBSD will lose its Base System feature - i= t will still be the best overall option out there if You want a free and op= en UNIX system with all needed features. Regards, vermaden Temat: Re: PKGBASE Removes FreeBSD Base System Feature Data: 2025-08-08 22:38 Nadawca: "Rob Wing" Adresat: "Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav" ;=20 DW: "vermaden" ; "sthaug@nethelp.no" ; "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" ; "freebsd-s= table@freebsd.org" ; "freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.o= rg" ;=20 > Dag, >=20 > mind your attitude towards our users/contributors >=20 > vermaden was clearly not yelling so stop trying to discredit them with su= ch accusations. >=20 > On Friday, August 8, 2025, Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wro= te: >=20 >> vermaden writes: >> > Current 'vital' thing does NOTHING to protect FreeBSD Base System. >>=20 >> How much longer will it take you to learn that people stop taking you >> seriously when you scream at them? >>=20 >> DES >> --=20 >> Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@FreeBSD.org