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Date:      Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:38:44 GMT
From:      Andreas Haakh <Andreas@Haakh.de>
To:        Boris <koester@x-itec.de>
Cc:        Bert Driehuis <driehuis@playbeing.org>, freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: GRRRRRRRRR COMPILER ERRORS
Message-ID:  <20001215.14384463@wilma.IbHaakh.de>
In-Reply-To: <10066501434.20001215093233@x-itec.de>
References:  <Pine.BSI.4.21.0012150228470.2818-100000@c1111.nl.compuware.com> <10066501434.20001215093233@x-itec.de>

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Hello Bert,

I don't know the steps you followed to upgrade your OS. Nevertheless=20=

there is a file called UDATING in /usr/src containig lots of important=20=

informations...

I usually do the following steps (well, if the changes to /usr/src/sys=20=

are minor, then I omit some of them)
make -i update >Update.log 2>&1 &	(bash-syntax)
inspect Update.log, search for changes, errors etc.
read /usr/src/UPDATING
patch some files (some patches to i4b didn't make it into stable ;-)
make buildworld	>World.log 2>&1 &
inspect World.log if there are any errors. Under some circumstances You =

need to make clean before make buildworld.
save /kernel.old to /kernel.something
make kernel KERNEL=3DMYKERNEL	(this builds AND installs =84MYKERNEL=93 a=
s=20
kernel. You can also do this in two steps: make buildkernel=20
KERNEL=3DMYKERNEL and make installkernel KERNEL=3DMYKERNEL if the=20
buildprocess was fine.)
mergemaster (to update /etc)
make installworld
reboot

Andreas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Am 15.12.2000, 18:32:33, schrieb Boris <koester@x-itec.de> zum Thema Re[=
4]:=20
GRRRRRRRRR COMPILER ERRORS:


> Hello Bert,

> Thursday, December 14, 2000, 5:54:38 PM, you wrote:

> BD> On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Boris wrote:

> BD> Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I never ever try to do two things at =
the
> BD> same time. If you're updating your kernel to an unreleased version=
, you
> BD> should expect breakage, so replacing the kernel with an untested o=
ne is
> BD> asking for trouble.

> hm, ok.

> BD> If your complaint boils down to "I expect CVSup to produce a perfe=
ctly
> BD> running system and I'm disappointed", then you are absolutely righ=
t=20
(and
> BD> also very unrealistic). The people that develop the updates to Fre=
eBSD
> BD> stable are most likely not ISDN users, and if you CVSup you run th=
e=20
risk

> Ahh, i have understand! ok no problem. I thought that a stable commit=

> is tested first by quality-assurance people (?). Hm, however i like to=

> see what=B4s going on with freebsd so i like to update the sources
> nearly daily -) It is a motivation to me if i am developing my litte
> progs.

> BD> of encountering breakage. In the greater scheme of things, ISDN is=
 not=20
a
> BD> central part of FreeBSD, because relatively few people have ISDN (=
as
> BD> much as FreeBSD is not the life focus of the ISDN4BSD developers -=
-

> Aaaah ok!


> BD> First of all, you should consider getting a test system if you wan=
t to
> BD> run untested combinations of software. Blaming FreeBSD for the pro=
blems

> not FreeBSD, i4b -) I love FreeBSD

> BD> you had because you inadvertantly blew away a working system is no=
t the
> BD> right thing to do.

> *ggg yes  this was my first complete failure on a production server
> hihi.

> BD> Second, not keeping a copy of a working kernel on your root partit=
ion=20
is
> BD> asking for trouble.

> I had a working kernel, but the system was not working anymore after
> build world. When the trouble begans, i had bsd 4.1.1, updated the
> sources to the latest cvs, make world (works), i4b patch .. tried to
> compile the kernel.. after the i4b patch.. BANG -) The old 4.1.1
> kernel was alyways available but i had no access to anything anymore
> after rebooting. I=B4ve got access denied, the only thing i could do i=
s
> to log in, that=B4s all.

> Ok i=B4m sorry for my reaction, it was my first real failure of a very=

> important server and i have never expected this on a stable-branch.
> Now i know what=B4s up and i had a chance to understand why sometimes=

> something is wrong. I will try to get it up and running on my
> developer server first, before updating a netserver and i have learned=

> to write a backup-script with all neccessary content i need for the
> next failure *gggg. Another person said to build a GENERIC kernel
> FIRST, a very good idea. So i will make a GENERIC kernel first after
> make world, then i try to get my configuration up and running.

> Thanks to all the people for helping me!

> --
> Best regards,
>  Boris                            mailto:koester@x-itec.de




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