From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sun Jan 7 18:05:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90E9E78CD2 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2018 18:05:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk0-x231.google.com (mail-vk0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EF7E70E82 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2018 18:05:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk0-x231.google.com with SMTP id o16so6139730vke.12 for ; Sun, 07 Jan 2018 10:05:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=81ZeJyzhTmSM5+zdLS2EoJ08560OUlrBkzTgVWw5Baw=; b=T5Y33kNN0SGFvBnM9mYCrJux4yskqewN2zjTboe7nCdgqoruRiKjPi3aUfNvqR5R6+ DQjgyvXkbofgtN51n1FAfbn2BIUcmh9mcGItg5mADNtehq9ngrsQhyZFk7CeGqbTpKFt 2WmVTM9dfPasSmjjlf+w+J52LGYQAk2Ej3cca1fSfT/2x1m/h1yO6SC2jGDusPOpdAoo tA2REtcCFCc+O1ALAmJ0a7o9p7FARVHV+Req5bBvV3We6D7NgsiLc6EpiYEXxroy0aLM ewfrJJcbsNC93WP1LIkDsyix56mlO69sr9VBcjUwP0zfD/tDwr9SOu7piamX07YQizBk 1GZg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=81ZeJyzhTmSM5+zdLS2EoJ08560OUlrBkzTgVWw5Baw=; b=MGJsATacA3LVfJMrusTTO0plxbe46XVyeFCGJxV+Ra9lQOe2700LJQwXu+iShI2FJE fteN1DVMgwhJZTv1HnG6bL6Ph9UIhIBk/yJGQ6g1g+A89NuQE9o/ghl9s3swOKUKg4ql nKkE8API9E25f/ylTppk72QDtfDfnfe4HHsO7qjpVpIN9/R7eBH6dVxwJ3o87bMWUD7L UIghIc1Wv1Ta37JDmxEISUrlmp0rJAUlYI8vBp/do3Biu1571ySKTaVOu11PUH3KSoni xVirf/q8GBErmygvOrjYqKVZ5kT11V/45qRr5Fb7biZcTdQmBlzicLovQ7T55f++XjiZ vSJg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytdiz/iTqYWT+dsdIyFZb7Qfxtj34Dr9jLp0mfUtKzTYy9Nh2faB WiAwM+Atc/1XZkKAUchEjuDLWpnnCkL9nRaV/Bfbch2F X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBotYgxL3W2uMcZI9MIX/iWvdmnIH/vrPDZ+EUHkC2mneLVqn3ikf5COvV8SwAiFZh0Wvzphltpp2NdcgI33wMCM= X-Received: by 10.31.16.197 with SMTP id 66mr8156095vkq.159.1515348327442; Sun, 07 Jan 2018 10:05:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: kob6558@gmail.com Received: by 10.103.147.156 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Jan 2018 10:05:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5A523873.2050001@quip.cz> References: <76627A89-D7E9-4010-910B-5F25886E7E7E@ellael.org> <5A523873.2050001@quip.cz> From: Kevin Oberman Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 10:05:26 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: CytzmUtLlr-42RSqiHviLiuj1uI Message-ID: Subject: Re: 'pkg upgrade -f spamassassin' stops but doesn't restart spamd To: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> Cc: Michael Grimm , FreeBSD Ports ML Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2018 18:05:28 -0000 On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 7:10 AM, Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> wrote: > > There are no consensus about what services should do on deinstall or > upgrade. That's why there is such a mess in ports / packages. > Some did nothing (my preferred way), some stop (but did not start) the > service, some modify user edited config files (removing / disabling modules > in httpd.conf so Apache is broken on each upgrade of module(s)). > > Miroslav Lachman Beg pardon, but I am aware of this being discussed twice on this list and both times there was a clear consensus in both cases that it was unacceptable or a port/package upgrade to touch running daemons. There were arguments that some port might make changes in underlying files that could break a daemon in some way, though I can't recall any actual examples. The only real argument was that leaving a daemon with a serious vulnerability running was not acceptable. A competent admin should never let this happen, but I'm sure it has. -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683