From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 10 23:53:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC19D1065670 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 23:53:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 847D38FC25 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 23:53:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 30566 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2010 23:53:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2010 23:53:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=JOMR+hruIRyTs2qq3Wh5Kb5n8LQlc+tucwtcVjIUS47kqbhDbFla93+rcKak1pRpjn2O0PuCZBNQnqp2wF7NeaO9IRt+ZUpwtXpUSObJ7rqIjqPtH2PisQqF/KMlmFPR; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OuDPG-0007a7-Lx for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 17:53:23 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 10 Sep 2010 17:49:56 -0600 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 17:49:56 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20100910234956.GB63239@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <86occ5k6yo.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20100910151651.GA29465@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20100910151651.GA29465@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 23:53:25 -0000 --ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 08:16:51AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: >=20 > Perhaps someone could provide specific use cases for which Java is the > only good solution? I guess the only answer to that is "running applications someone wrote in Java" -- but I know that's *not* what you meant. >=20 > I don't have Flash installed on my browser, and what I lack from that is > evident. I have yet to miss Java in any way. What problems would it > solve for people that can't be solved using a different approach? I have intentionally avoided installing Java for a long time. This has caused some issues with getting OpenOffice.org running, but the single use I've had for it in the last year (give or take) dried up a couple months or so ago, so that reason to care went away. I sure as heck have never actually *needed* Java in my browser, for any reason. Who still uses Java in the browser without some alternative for those who don't have it, these days? These days, it seems like the only places people *really* think they still need Java are smartphones and "enterprise" systems running on overpriced servers -- neither of which makes a difference for Firefox on the desktop. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkyKxCQACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKW85QCfUTcIephJGYeLPcLKOqKli1gG 7f0AoIC9XR5Nyd2qy50IW/3lhCBapdcJ =40+c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6--