From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 7 10:59:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C231065670 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 10:59:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pawel@dawidek.net) Received: from mail.dawidek.net (60.wheelsystems.com [83.12.187.60]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 659288FC12 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 10:59:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (89-73-195-149.dynamic.chello.pl [89.73.195.149]) by mail.dawidek.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 42C9F43E; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:59:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:57:36 +0200 From: Pawel Jakub Dawidek To: Wojciech Puchar Message-ID: <20120707105735.GD1437@garage.freebsd.pl> References: <20120705082857.GB37083@server.rulingia.com> <4FF55864.8040807@FreeBSD.org> <201207051215.44799.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20120706201721.GB1437@garage.freebsd.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7DO5AaGCk89r4vaK" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-OS: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT amd64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Jonathan McKeown Subject: Re: Training wheels for commandline (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 10:59:57 -0000 --7DO5AaGCk89r4vaK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 11:25:07AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > something they probably don't even know about, than to skilled users to > > turn it off. > > > > If this feature is going to prints quite a few extra lines, let's just > > add one more line saying: > > > > To disable this message run: echo set 31337mode >> ~/.tcshrc > > > > --=20 > should i - from now, understand that this way of "extending" OS is=20 > considered right (i mean going down to newbies instead of going up) by=20 > FreeBSD developers? Not exactly. The "from now" part is a bit misleading. This is not starting now, we try hard to make FreeBSD easier to use, more consistent and friendlier in general for a long time now. In your terminology making FreeBSD easier for newcomers is "going down" implies that "going up" is to make it harder for newcomer. I hate to break it to you, but you are living upside down. > Please answer it is important for me, and many other people for a future. You should definiately pay more attention, as this is happening every day. Everyone was newcomer once. I didn't succeed on my first attempt to install FreeBSD, neither on the second attempt. It took me few tries to do it right. I knew nothing about UNIX back then. I consider myself as someone who improved FreeBSD a bit, but I could as easly gave up after first two failed attempts to install it and move to something easier. How many people gave up after first or second attempt and never looked back? --=20 Pawel Jakub Dawidek http://www.wheelsystems.com FreeBSD committer http://www.FreeBSD.org Am I Evil? Yes, I Am! http://tupytaj.pl --7DO5AaGCk89r4vaK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk/4Fh8ACgkQForvXbEpPzQzIQCgkJaICUmCLYPYD5A7VojQCX32 ljUAn1xTGnUsE+cvpMSXAe2ySyCDJIcJ =DWM/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7DO5AaGCk89r4vaK--