Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:59:58 -0700 From: Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org> To: Eitan Adler <lists@eitanadler.com> Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Steve Wills <swills@freebsd.org>, Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@freebsd.org>, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap Message-ID: <5036EE2E.4040606@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <CAF6rxgmXHd3iAFU5P31-CgKt6Sz=Ou%2BtchQy=h5YshRD_j1fUw@mail.gmail.com> References: <97612B57-1255-4BB3-A6D3-FC74324C6D67@FreeBSD.org> <CAF6rxg=TMbmwbhhmiGi_MfqjjE144pQAMNoR3ajTzR3n4Z5XLQ@mail.gmail.com> <785B5BAD-E015-4624-B3A1-D05E1BD97E51@freebsd.org> <CAF6rxgm3gYQOxd8q1Ys0nJjFxROErLEXfiy2AM4Mbx5jBHWBmA@mail.gmail.com> <5AC662AA-4874-4BC2-9862-65518B79B840@freebsd.org> <CAF6rxgmXHd3iAFU5P31-CgKt6Sz=Ou%2BtchQy=h5YshRD_j1fUw@mail.gmail.com>
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On 8/23/2012 7:23 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > On 23 August 2012 22:15, Steve Wills <swills@freebsd.org> wrote: >> On Aug 23, 2012, at 10:08 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: >> >>> On 23 August 2012 22:05, Steve Wills <swills@freebsd.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Why can't one of those steps be to run "pkg-bootstrap"? >>> >>> Because the how-to may not be for a new system ;) >> >> The possibility of bad docs somewhere outside of our control, when we can (and I am actively working on) document(ing) pkgng for the handbook seems kinda thin. It's not even "Something's wrong on the Internet!" (http://xkcd.com/386/), it's "Something might some day be wrong on the Internet!" > > It isn't a problem of bad docs. Its a problem of the user following > some not-for-new-systems documentation and getting very confused when > they see "command not found.". It is practically the definition of > POLA. No, POLA refers to not changing long-established practices out from under the user. I tend to agree with Steve here ... we can't be responsible for other people's poorly written docs. You bring up a valid point that we should keep in mind for our own however. The bootstrapping issue will be the smallest possible annoyance on a long road of the migration process. OTOH this is a good use case for the "prompt the user when they type a command for something that can be installed from ports" idea. :) Doug -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what I can do. -- Edward Everett Hale, (1822 - 1909)
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