From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 16 16:35:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4818E1065675; Wed, 16 May 2012 16:35:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from harmony.bsdimp.com (bsdimp.com [199.45.160.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F24948FC12; Wed, 16 May 2012 16:35:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.30.101.53] ([209.117.142.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by harmony.bsdimp.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q4GGVPYA072598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 16 May 2012 10:31:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <86wr4ctcza.fsf@ds4.des.no> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:31:20 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <04F10830-664A-4C60-9A85-C5874D2A30F4@bsdimp.com> References: <20120513220646.GA12826@stack.nl> <4FB0CF88.5010309@FreeBSD.org> <3D895644-0BA5-44F7-AC8F-07323729C1AA@bsdimp.com> <86wr4ctcza.fsf@ds4.des.no> To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (harmony.bsdimp.com [10.0.0.6]); Wed, 16 May 2012 10:31:28 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Doug Barton , Jilles Tjoelker , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [patch] halt/reboot/shutdown cleanup X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 16:35:10 -0000 On May 16, 2012, at 8:30 AM, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > Warner Losh writes: >> Doug Barton writes: >>> Warner Losh writes: >>>> I hate these messages, which is why I always use halt or reboot to >>>> avoid them.=20 >>> You hate messages? Seriously? >> Seriously. And I'd appreciate it if you didn't mock me on this. It >> is rude and insulting and not constructive to a dialog. >=20 > Sorry, Warner, but what I see here is *you* attacking and insulting > Jilles and Doug. No, I was telling Doug to back off since he's been annoying me lately. = And I haven't been insulting Jiles at all. This came up before, there = was no consensus. It has come up again and we're making progress to a = solution this time. >> The distaste for extra, useless messages, I'll admit, is a = personality >> quirk that I share with many people. >=20 > "The silent majority supports me" is not a valid argument. That's not my argument at all. Please don't twist it into that. Go = check the IRC logs for the folks that chimed in, but really, we're = talking about changing interfaces that people are used to and aren't too = keen on giving up. Have a nice day. Warner